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External door panels ?

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External door panels ?

Postby RogerS » 11 Jan 2019, 08:21

Hi chaps

LOML wants this back door made for us.




I was proposing to make the rails and stiles from Tricoya but was wondering about the panels. Would it be better to use Medite Accoya ?

Regarding the construction, those panels look flush on the original and so I'm guessing that maybe they rebated the rails and stiles and dropped the panels in ?

That cock bead ...can't get my head round that one. Planted on ? It's not on the panel..RH middle panel has split but the bead is intact. I don't think it's moulded onto the rails or stiles (could be though) as it doesn't run al the way through that top rail, for example. But it doesn't look planted on as they look flush with the panels and rails etc. Mmmmm.....coming round, as I type, that they are moulded on the rails and stiles.

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Mike G » 11 Jan 2019, 09:07

Don't you think they've rebated the edges of the panels such that the back of the panel sits flush with the back of the grooves in the stiles and rails? Thus moving the panel outwards from the more usual position, to finish flush with the outside face of the door?

As always with this forum, the images are too small to see detail, and I can't even see any cock beads.
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Postby Andyp » 11 Jan 2019, 11:03

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Re: External door panels ?

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 11 Jan 2019, 16:52

How bizarre I'm making one very similar to that now. I'm using sapele for the stiles and rails and tricoya for the panels. It's slightly different in terms of proportions buy not by much. I've grooved.......I'll post some pictures when I'm next in the shop The cock beads I'm gonna prime all the way around then then pin them onto the stiles/rails afterwards.

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 11 Jan 2019, 16:53

Ahhh, I think your tricoya and accoya are a bit fuddled up.

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Re: External door panels ?

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 11 Jan 2019, 17:34

I've never had an issue with the stability of sapele so longs it's painted or finished properly. That said a few years ago I did increase the gaps between frame and door from 2mm all the way around to 3mm top and sides and 4mm on the bottom. This was mainly to suit most draughtstrip recommended gaps though.

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Postby Coley » 11 Jan 2019, 18:33

Here's where I am at the moment.
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Stiles have got a 12mm wide groove around 8mm deep. Every edge that takes a panel had the same groove. The top edge of every rail then had a bevel on it.
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The cock beads will be primed all the way around and just pinned in place. Hopefully any water that may find its way between the panel and cock bead will be able to find its way out with the bevel helping things.
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The rest of the beads will just be fixed as normal.
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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 08 Feb 2019, 06:51

Did you bang this project on the head Roger?

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby will1983 » 08 Feb 2019, 11:20

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Re: External door panels ?

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby will1983 » 13 Feb 2019, 15:34

Thanks guys, that makes much more sense now!
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Re: External door panels ?

Postby RogerS » 09 Jul 2019, 15:47

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Why have you made the tenons the way that you have ? Specifically the three parts arrowed ?
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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 10 Jul 2019, 16:19

The red arrow is pointing to a normal haunched tenon similar to this arrangement- Image
The haunched part stops the tenon falling out should the wedges and glue fail.
The green and yellow arrows point to the middle rail on the door. Rather than have a tenon let's say the width of the rail so 150-200mm I've split it into 3. Now I've got less possible shrinkage over the width of the tenon (2 smaller tenons) and an extra pair of wedges so 4 in total for that joint. The haunch part on that rail is just to help keep things in line and provide an extra area for the glue instead of cutting it right out. It's just flipping the stop around on the morticer for depth the same as the top and bottom rail.

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby RogerS » 10 Jul 2019, 16:42

Thanks Coley. Not sure I follow your explanation re the red arrow as I can't see how the haunch would stop the tenon falling out.
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Re: External door panels ?

Postby Coley » 10 Jul 2019, 17:08

The stile gets cut off on the red line.Image
The pencil scribble is the timber that is left from only haunching partway into the stile. I thought you were dominoing everything together or have I got my wires crossed

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Re: External door panels ?

Postby RogerS » 10 Jul 2019, 17:41

I'm Domino'ing the internal doors and some sections of the orangerie but decided to go traditional for the back door as it's going to be pretty heavy. Although as I type this (and having spent best part of an hour fiddling about with SketchUp to work out the joint detail of the bottom rail) I'm having second thoughts. :eusa-think:
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