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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby spb » 26 Feb 2021, 11:43

Given that you said it'll take a lot of weight, I'm going with wine rack.
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Postby 9fingers » 26 Feb 2021, 11:50

spb wrote:Given that you said it'll take a lot of weight, I'm going with wine rack.


Give the man a cigar! Yes the right hand cupboard will house a static wine rack and glasses.

The middle slide out heavy weight drawer will have dinner service and cutlery plus other dining table related paraphernalia.

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Phil » 26 Feb 2021, 11:56

9fingers wrote:
Mike G wrote:
Whilst interesting, this sort of construction isn't something most of us can do because it is all table-saw based, and there are very few of those kicking around the forum.


I'm slightly surprised at that assertion Mike. I know it true in your case. I might just start a poll on workshop equipment


Agree with you. :lol:

Can you start a poll on equipment being used not just sitting in the workshop.

I have the greatest respect for Mike and his hand tool abilities, not in my lifetime would I get there.

However, without the machines I might just as well sit and play games on my laptop. :lol: :lol:
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Mike G » 26 Feb 2021, 12:14

It's a wine rack, I reckon.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Mike G » 26 Feb 2021, 12:15

Phil wrote:......However, without the machines I might just as well sit and play games on my laptop. :lol: :lol:


Oh, I've got machines. It's just that I reckon bandsaws will outnumber tablesaws at least 5 to 1 here.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Raymedullary » 26 Feb 2021, 12:27

I have both a tablesaw and a bandsaw. I would not be happy without a tablesaw... the easy,instant and safe accuracy that they provide is hard to beat.
And my workshop is by no means big, in fact its rather compact.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby TrimTheKing » 26 Feb 2021, 12:34

9fingers wrote:
TrimTheKing wrote:Spare chairs or table extensions...


Nope. It is mainly for a consumable product.

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Andyp » 26 Feb 2021, 17:37

I’d like to think that the collective brains around here could come with an idea for triangular section.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 26 Feb 2021, 18:11

Andyp wrote:I’d like to think that the collective brains around here could come with an idea for triangular section.


I did wonder about blanking it off as planned and adding a simple shelf on the base and to use it as a secret compartment that would only be accessible by total removal of the centre drawer unit.

Whoops! you lot would now know about it. :lol:

Open to suggestions. The opening is about 320 x 320 by 800 deep

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Phil » 26 Feb 2021, 18:53

Mike G wrote:
Phil wrote:......However, without the machines I might just as well sit and play games on my laptop. :lol: :lol:


Oh, I've got machines. It's just that I reckon bandsaws will outnumber tablesaws at least 5 to 1 here.


Ok, but thats now a different tune ........... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 14 Mar 2021, 14:07

Earlier in this thread I was in the process of making a rod for the next part of my understairs storage project.


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A small leap forward though design and starting to build - no photos taken, I have got the skeleton under construction for the roll-out section. It's my first project using the domino and has exposed the accuracy flaw in my domino but I've managed to work round that. I've been gluing up in small steps (about 10!) to help ease the stress of the "big bang" final glue up which is still going to be bad enough.

Part assembled skeleton frame in 22mm square oak.

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This second shot shows all the shelves in place. Mainly intended for crockery but the top shelf with have some drawers for cutlery etc.

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I'll try and remember to take more pics as it develops.

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 06 Apr 2021, 21:31

The skeletal frame has now fitted with the four drawers and anti tip runners/retainers
written up here http://www.thewoodhaven2.co.uk/viewtopi ... 445#p91445

The drawers are made from 12mm thick stock. Sides and backs are in oak and the fronts in ABW.
Time to get out the finger jig that I made a few years back and written up way back in this forum.
Modestly I have to say it is a pleasure to use and can be set up without having to make any measurement. Just a couple of test cuts and away you go.
The dado set was set up for about 12mm to give square end to the pins.
Here is the jig

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And close up

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I set the jig up with a clearance of a paper thickness to allow for glue and ease of assembly.

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I did a quick dryfit of the smallest drawer.

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A short production run for 4 drawers worth of parts plus a spare front out of oak to try finger cutouts later.

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I used 5mm ply as the base but I did not want to set a 5mm groove so near the base of the drawer - maximum internal depth is immportant so the bases were rebated into a 1.8" (3.2mm) groove, 3mm up from the bottom edge of each drawer.
No photo of the groove but I set up the tablesaw and dado to cut the rebates. The ply was not dead flat so I used a feather board to press it down onto the blade. In the photo, you might just be able to see the blade. Once set up it is just a matter of pushing all the edges through.

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This is one of the bases (or maybe a test piece?)

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The walnut had a few pale streaks and rather than try and stain them out I arranged the fronts to SWMBO's satisfaction to make them a feature.

Here is the dryfit of the 4 drawers into the housing

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Malc2098 » 06 Apr 2021, 21:32

Looking good.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Woodbloke » 07 Apr 2021, 09:46

9fingers wrote:
I set the jig up with a clearance of a paper thickness to allow for glue and ease of assembly.



The thickness of a bit of paper will give you a joint that's going to go together easily, but it's also going to be too sloppy. I like to make joints that need to be knocked together with an 'ammer (or maul) or pulled up with a cramp of some sort. With that dado rig on your tablesaur Bob, it should be dead easy to set it up for an exact 'one on one' push together fit - Rob
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 07 Apr 2021, 09:59

Indiviual preferences I guess. Even with 1/2 paper thickness per glue joint once the glue was on all parts and some swelling had started, a small persuader was needed and there are no naked eye visible glue lines.

The first test cut was possibly a honeymoon fit more to your liking but I then offset the guide pins with a handy bit of newsprint paper (uncalibrated) to give a mummy and daddy working fit!

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Woodbloke » 07 Apr 2021, 10:28

The only reason I thought about this was that when I made that Krenov bookshelf a while back from that hideous kiln cooked American Ash, I used a slip of printer paper on the 'female' part of the drawer runner when the sections were glued together, thinking the clearance provided would enable a smooth working, sliding fit. It ended up as a loose, workable fit so on the current little skeletal' project just completed, I left the paper out and the sliding fit is much snugger - Rpb
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 07 Apr 2021, 11:45

When I fitted my drawer slides for these drawers, I used offcuts of the drawer component stock as spacers and no paper. They have fitted nicely with the slightest swipe of 320 grit. Cant do the piston test as the drawer pulls are cutouts in the fronts so spoil the seal. I'll candle wax the slides once I have finished creating dust from the project.

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 07 Apr 2021, 12:25

In case anyone is interested the box joint jig wot I made is here
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This whole section I'm working on at the moment is a large drawer that will pull out from under the stairs for access. You have seen the skeltal frame work and shelves before. Now it is clad in 9mm ply all but the access face (side). This is the front view of the drawer box.

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I'd better refer to the small drawers above as "sub-drawers" I suppose - no sniggering at the back :lol:
No pics of the sub drawer assembly as I'm usually busy concentrating on the glue ups, setting square and clean up etc and forget to take pics!

Looking at the side of the main drawer, we seen access to the sub drawers. No room for conventional drawer pulls and in any case SWMBO's fingers don't work well so these cutouts are easiest for her and don't stick out.

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And closer on the sub drawers

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and showing off the box joints. The colour contrast is better between the end grain ABW and the oak face than on the more visible fronts betwenn end grain oak and face grain ABW. Never mind eh? The thought was there.

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Thats about up to date. Other domestic stuff to do today, shopping etc. The next step will be to get it fitted into the framework in the dining room. Everything has been made to the rod I made earlier so should be perfick! :lol:


Thanks for looking.

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 08 Apr 2021, 20:06

Installation day!

I alreay knew from my rod that the opening was slightly out of square. Rather than make the drawer out of square to match I opted for a shim fitted behind the bottom left runner.
All went pretty smoothly. I've used lots of the basic full extension drawer slides and they are pretty easy to install.

Here are some installed views.

Fully closed.
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Fully closed from the side
This view will eventually be blocked off by the back of the wine cupboard.
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Partly open for access to the drawers and commonly used items.
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Cutlery drawer
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Fully open
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Malc2098 » 08 Apr 2021, 20:25

Nice.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Dr.Al » 08 Apr 2021, 20:27

Malc2098 wrote:Nice.


What he said :text-goodpost:
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 08 Apr 2021, 21:12

Thanks Chaps!

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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Steve Maskery » 09 Apr 2021, 10:36

This is excellent, Bob.
I had a triangular space underneath my staircase, too, but not as neat as what you started with. I turned mine into double-decker cupboards. They are neat enough, but inside they are each just one big glory-hole. Yours is a much better solution.
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby Just4fun » 09 Apr 2021, 18:03

Andyp wrote:I’d like to think that the collective brains around here could come with an idea for triangular section.

Where does everyone store their Toblerones?
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Re: "machine made" drawer box

Postby 9fingers » 09 Apr 2021, 18:47

Just4fun wrote:
Andyp wrote:I’d like to think that the collective brains around here could come with an idea for triangular section.

Where does everyone store their Toblerones?


Great idea but I have to avoid sweet things :lol:

There is a volume of 40 odd litres available.
I could fit a hinged panel for access maybe with some form of magnetic lock or a bowden cable release operated from the wine cupboard?

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