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Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 14:35

Am I right in saying that the best way to do this is to remove the beds, stick some heavy timber between the thicknesser table and the cutter block then wind the table up. Lift using the timber.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Tusses » 21 Dec 2016, 15:21

I guess it depends on what you have to lift and move it with ?

For me, on my own , and a van, remove the easy bits, see if you can then move it/walk it.
Then at the van,
lift one end, -- plank under ..
lift other end, plank under ..

repeat until up enough to get in van (or trailer)

other end, I just use a slope of anything handy to walk it out of the van .. and then on into the workshop.

For my metal lathe, I had a hand loading, and used my engine crane my end to get it out and into the workshop .. that is bloody heavy ! :shock:
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 16:21

It's my Sedgwick MB ...total all up weight is 360kg. Removing the tables should bring it down to maybe 250kg. It's not me that's moving it but the removal men.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Phil » 21 Dec 2016, 16:22

I stripped off as much as I could and they lifted it with slings under the mobile frame to the truck and out into the new place.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 16:24

They might be able to do that provided that they bring some boards to lay down on the stones otherwise those wheels are going nowhere ! The removal estimator has been to see it but I wanted to know the best way for them to move it - given that they are not specialist machinery movers.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Tusses » 21 Dec 2016, 16:43

could you ratchet strap it to a pallet .. so it can't (is hard to) tip over.

360Kg isn't too bad ..

would it fit on a pallet in it's side ? even more stable.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Tusses » 21 Dec 2016, 16:44

you have farmer friends with tractors ? , no ?
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 16:48

Can't involve a third party. We're paying the removal people enough money. It's their job.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Tusses » 21 Dec 2016, 16:58

RogerS wrote:Can't involve a third party. We're paying the removal people enough money. It's their job.


or

Tusses wrote:Can involve a third party. We're paying the removal people enough money. It's their job......... But !! it's My stuff !! :lol:



I'd be happier knowing I'd get it in one piece, rather than it was "someone else's fault" !
Else you might as well sell it, and buy another after the move :)
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 17:03

Tusses wrote:
RogerS wrote:Can't involve a third party. We're paying the removal people enough money. It's their job.


or

Tusses wrote:Can involve a third party. We're paying the removal people enough money. It's their job......... But !! it's My stuff !! :lol:



I'd be happier knowing I'd get it in one piece, rather than it was "someone else's fault" !
Else you might as well sell it, and buy another after the move :)


I am trying to sell it !
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby 9fingers » 21 Dec 2016, 18:04

First rule is that never ever allow anyone to lift it by the tables or once in the van, put any weight on the tables. A static load is bad enough but bumps in the road will exacerbate the problem
Taking them off fixes that risk but depending on the design, P/T can be a real b'std to refit the tables and tune it up to plane true again.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 21 Dec 2016, 18:17

9fingers wrote:.....
Taking them off fixes that risk but depending on the design, P/T can be a real b'std to refit the tables and tune it up to plane true again.

Good Luck

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As the five thou feeler gauge underneath one corner of the outfeed table attests to!

Anyone know if sticking the timber where I've suggested is the right way ?
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby 9fingers » 21 Dec 2016, 18:22

Yes. Two length of timber slotted through the thicknesser and carried sedan chair fashion will be fine.
Four man lift and get it onto a wheeled dolly if possible.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Wizard9999 » 21 Dec 2016, 18:43

But do you of table above thicknesser table as suggested so you are bearing on the cutter block? I would have thought you would raise the table first and put timber under the table. Sure my Startrite's manual is handy when I get home and I know it covers that.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby 9fingers » 21 Dec 2016, 18:54

Wizard9999 wrote:But do you of table above thicknesser table as suggested so you are bearing on the cutter block? I would have thought you would raise the table first and put timber under the table. Sure my Startrite's manual is handy when I get home and I know it covers that.

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Timber above the table shares the load between the feed rollers and the cutter block. Below the table could be dodgy depending on the machine design. I had a kity once that only had a pressed steel thicknesser table and that would have been wrecked by such a method.
Other machines sometime have a strong enough table but it rises on a central column which could be vulnerable.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Wizard9999 » 21 Dec 2016, 21:14

9fingers wrote:
Wizard9999 wrote:But do you of table above thicknesser table as suggested so you are bearing on the cutter block? I would have thought you would raise the table first and put timber under the table. Sure my Startrite's manual is handy when I get home and I know it covers that.

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Timber above the table shares the load between the feed rollers and the cutter block. Below the table could be dodgy depending on the machine design. I had a kity once that only had a pressed steel thicknesser table and that would have been wrecked by such a method.
Other machines sometime have a strong enough table but it rises on a central column which could be vulnerable.

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Just got home and checked, the Startrite manual for the SD31 says "Manual loading can be carried out using sufficiently strong wooden battens placed beneath the thicknesser table as shown in Fig 7.3." So if the Kity manual recommended going above the table and bearing on the feed rollers and cutter block I guess it depends on the robustness of the thicknesser table. Given you are moving a Sedgewick I would say it will be at least as robust as the Startrite, but maybe given the different approach from different manufacturers it would be best to contact Sedgewick and check what they recommend.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby kirkpoore1 » 22 Dec 2016, 05:24

if you do not have to go up stairs, I would take the wheels off, bolt it to a couple of long-ish planks and move it on rollers (short pieces of pipe). I've done this a lot, including with heavier machines. Are they using a ramp to get it into their truck? It should still work, though pulling it up with a come-along while somebody keeps it straight would be much safer. These guys are pros. They won't do a brute force lift unless they have to.

Sliding along planks will work too. I would take also the wheels off in this case. You don't want the wheels falling off of a plank and have the machine fall over. It's way, way too heavy to catch.

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 22 Dec 2016, 07:14

No wheels, Kirk. Think that they will probably have a tail-lift.
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Jimmy Mack » 22 Dec 2016, 23:47

Roger, I moved my MB by cranking some 3x2s up to the block, the manual suggests using a block to capture the bed and cutter block in transport and not to lift by the tables...I removed the cast fence.

By tipping I gradually brought it up on blocks and slid a dolly under it. Got a pal with a tail-lift flat-bed to transport it and we ran it up a ramp into the new space, blocking it back to the floor

I've taken the tables off in the past ...the in-feed is an absolute pig to get back on...(and that was with two people!) We also used a van and even with the tables off it was heavy and awkward!

Goes without saying, check any lifting timbers for defects!

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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby RogerS » 23 Dec 2016, 05:27

Jimmy Mack wrote:.....
I've taken the tables off in the past ...the in-feed is an absolute pig to get back on...(and that was with two people!).....
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Many thanks, Jim. I feel quite chuffed reading this as I agree with you. Getting the infeed table back on is a pig and I did mine all on my little ownsome :D
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Re: Moving a planer/thicknesser

Postby Jimmy Mack » 23 Dec 2016, 08:03

RogerS wrote:
Jimmy Mack wrote:.....
I've taken the tables off in the past ...the in-feed is an absolute pig to get back on...(and that was with two people!).....
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Many thanks, Jim. I feel quite chuffed reading this as I agree with you. Getting the infeed table back on is a pig and I did mine all on my little ownsome :D

That's impressive Roger, getting the rise and fall screw in at the same time as lifting and docking in requires octopus skills. Good job

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