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Request to make - Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 20 May 2017, 16:13

Does anyone have any information as to the profile especially at the bottom of the frame to stop water ingress ?

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 20 May 2017, 16:52

Where are you thinking of having them fitted Roger? We have them all over the house here and although they have their advantages in the kitchen above the work surface they are a PITFA, we have to go outside to pin the shutters back.
I can take pics of the profiles if you like but ours are about 20 yrs old I think.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 20 May 2017, 17:23

We have one small one in the East gable end. It currently is fitted with a Macclesfield Step (I think) made from metal at the bottom. Just made an opening for another similar window. They have to open inwards because the wall is so thick that, once open you'd never be able to reach to shut them again! Although having said that I realise that a window stay would be something to grab hold of.

Thing is that the windows could be made a bit more slender...awful lot of wood to the glass area.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 20 May 2017, 17:28

I took some pics anyway

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Mike G » 20 May 2017, 17:36

I've seen quadruple glazing, with 2 casements.....one opening in, the other opening out. No danger of weather getting in through that arrangement!
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Doug » 20 May 2017, 17:47

Brian's your man for that Rog, all his windows open in & he made them all himself.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 20 May 2017, 19:12

Doug wrote:Brian's your man for that Rog, all his windows open in & he made them all himself.


Ah I did think about Brian.

Andy...interesting to see the drip bar on the outside.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Woodbloke » 20 May 2017, 19:23

Andyp wrote:Where are you thinking of having them fitted Roger? We have them all over the house here and although they have their advantages in the kitchen above the work surface they are a PITFA, we have to go outside to pin the shutters back.
I can take pics of the profiles if you like but ours are about 20 yrs old I think.

I think inward openers and outward shutters is pretty much standard on the Continent, 'specially la belle France? - Rob
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 20 May 2017, 20:02

RogerS wrote:
Doug wrote:Brian's your man for that Rog, all his windows open in & he made them all himself.


Ah I did think about Brian.

Andy...interesting to see the drip bar on the outside.


We have never had any leaks Roger and all the windows are on lift off hinges so even when it is raining I can close the shutters, lift off the windows to decorate.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 20 May 2017, 20:04

Woodbloke wrote:
Andyp wrote:Where are you thinking of having them fitted Roger? We have them all over the house here and although they have their advantages in the kitchen above the work surface they are a PITFA, we have to go outside to pin the shutters back.
I can take pics of the profiles if you like but ours are about 20 yrs old I think.

I think inward openers and outward shutters is pretty much standard on the Continent, 'specially la belle France? - Rob


That's right Rob but it does make arranging furniture in the house problematic, see the note about kitchens above. And we have no window cills.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Doug » 20 May 2017, 20:54

RogerS wrote:
Doug wrote:Brian's your man for that Rog, all his windows open in & he made them all himself.


Ah I did think about Brian.



I think making his Windows was the reason he bought his Hammer combination machine.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Rod » 20 May 2017, 23:21

From watching a few Scandinavian programmes- their doors open outwards.

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 21 May 2017, 13:47

Andy, how do you keep the window ajar? Trying to fathom out how you could fix a window stay.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 21 May 2017, 14:15

Another one of the disadvantages.

This is the normal way for double openers
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Or like this
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For single openers I do this
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Woodbloke » 21 May 2017, 15:24

Andyp wrote:
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Andyp wrote:Where are you thinking of having them fitted Roger? We have them all over the house here and although they have their advantages in the kitchen above the work surface they are a PITFA, we have to go outside to pin the shutters back.
I can take pics of the profiles if you like but ours are about 20 yrs old I think.

I think inward openers and outward shutters is pretty much standard on the Continent, 'specially la belle France? - Rob


That's right Rob but it does make arranging furniture in the house problematic, see the note about kitchens above. And we have no window cills.

Thanks Andy, I thought that was the case. It's always struck me as slightly bizarre that you can cross the twenty miles of ogin (less than from here for a day run down to see Bob 9f) from Dover to Calais and you enter a completely different world where they drive on the wrong side of the street and have shutters on windows that open inwards. Different country, different psyche :D C'est la guerre or similar - Rob
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 21 May 2017, 15:45

Andyp wrote:Another one of the disadvantages.

This is the normal way for double openers
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Love it ! :eusa-clap:
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Woodster » 21 May 2017, 19:19

Rod wrote:From watching a few Scandinavian programmes- their doors open outwards.

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How do they open the front door after a couple of feet of snow? :D Climb out through the windows I suppose. ;)

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Rod » 21 May 2017, 22:39

Always puzzled me the differences from country to country, in quite normal everyday things like this and why they evolved that way.
With the doors opening outwards - quite easy for them to be pulled open away from the occupants, unlike opening inwards that can be stopped by a foot or body.

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Malc2098 » 21 May 2017, 22:48

From my experience of having to forcibly open doors, that is easier when they are hinged inwards.

However, that need to lawfully force open, only appeared in the 20th century. So how did the opening direction evolve in different countries and continents?
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 22 May 2017, 06:21

I think it is northern europe/souther europe thing. In the hotter south the windows are on the inside of the reveal which on thick stone buildings can be quite wide providing more shade in the summer. The external shutters enable the windows to be left open with the shutters closed which allows the movement of air while keeping out the heat of the sun.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 22 May 2017, 08:28

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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Andyp » 22 May 2017, 09:11

Dunno what you are trying to link to Roger but it don't work.
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby Phil » 22 May 2017, 09:15

Andyp wrote:Dunno what you are trying to link to Roger but it don't work.


It's top secret hidden file! :lol:
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 22 May 2017, 09:56

Andyp wrote:Dunno what you are trying to link to Roger but it don't work.



Now fixed....I originally linked to a downloaded file on my Mac :oops:
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Re: Inward opening windows

Postby RogerS » 22 May 2017, 16:04

OK...it's wishful thinking. Much as I'd like to make it, I (a) don't have the time what with everything else going on and (b) I don't have the machines. So....................

...would anyone like to machine the rails and stiles for me (paid work naturally). I can assemble, get the dgu etc. I'd go for dominos to join the rails and stiles. The metalwork at the bottom is called a Macclesfield Step...I'd use this one cut down to size.

http://store.northwesthardware.co.uk/ot ... l?limit=75

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Overall frame size is 650mm wide x 1075mm high. So the component parts are courierable.

Thing is I need it really yesterday as without it, they can't finish the reveals.

Any takers ?
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