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Hinge Problem

Postby Rod » 21 Jun 2017, 22:30

For awhile I've noticed black residue on the top and bottom hinges of the door leading to our utility room. The door is now beginning to slightly scrape the floor leading me to think that the door has dropped a bit.
However I cannot explain this photo of the top hinge ( the bottom is similar). If the hinges have worn and the door dropped, why the gaps?

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Jimmy Mack » 21 Jun 2017, 22:40

Wow, What's going on there? The washers have disintegrated! Do you store any chemicals?



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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby timothyedoran » 21 Jun 2017, 22:40

Is there supposed to be some bearings in the gaps? Have they been removed by someone removing the pin. Seems unlikely

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby dwcon1431 » 22 Jun 2017, 07:20

I would take the door off, check the pins and hinges by cleaning fo

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby StevieB » 22 Jun 2017, 08:22

The leaf on the doof certainly looks lower than the leaf on the frame - especially at the bottom. Remember that each leaf is a solid structure, so they will be touching somewhere but they are not engineered to be 'gapless' (is that a word?) so the gaps remain when one leaf drops enough to hit the other. ie dont think of the leaves as a tight finger joint, think of it as a finger joint having some slop in it - the widest fingers will touch and leave gaps between the narrowest.

Alternatively I could be talking complete rubbish but it makes sense in my head!

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Doug » 22 Jun 2017, 08:50

Looks like a steel washered hinge (has a washer between each knuckle) & the steel has broken down hence the fine black swarf & the gaps. I've had a similar thing on my own internal door hinges, over the last 14 years the ball bearings have broken down leading to a similar black slightly greasy deposit.

I'm replacing mine with a Phosphor bronze washered hinge from Screwfix http://www.screwfix.com/p/double-phosph ... pack/30276 so far I've been very happy with them
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Harv-53 » 22 Jun 2017, 10:51

I had similar issues with a clients internal doors, they were extremely heavy it took 2 of us to hang each door
The original hinges lasted less than 2 years so I replaced them with these
http://www.sdslondon.co.uk/tritech/trit ... brass.html.
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby timothyedoran » 22 Jun 2017, 11:09

So I might be right about the missing bearing then

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Rod » 22 Jun 2017, 11:53

I fitted them over 20yrs ago so they haven't done too badly. They are brass and perhaps had steel washers - cannot remember. Now supported on one "bit?" on the lower hinge.

A trip to Screwfix is needed, those other ones are mightily expensive.

Thanks for the advice.

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby RogerS » 22 Jun 2017, 15:02

I've noticed this black staining on hinges in our old place and also at the new house. The steel washers are intact and so I have no idea why the black stain.
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Andyp » 22 Jun 2017, 15:21

I've always attributed it to either the hinge metal or the metal of the washers gradually being ground down. My "stains" take on the appearing of fine black powder.
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby tracerman » 22 Jun 2017, 16:40

Rod - just my tuppence worth . You've got a real mystery there . Even if there were washers originally , it would need for every one of the washers to completely disappear , on all the two ( or three ) hinges , to cause a drop . Or to put it another way , if all the washers except one , were to disappear , leaving just one , the door should not drop . So thinking outside the box , has the whole door frame dropped for some reason ? , or has the floor risen up ? . Also I cant help wondering whether your clearance at the bottom was very small , if it only takes a washers-worth of drop to cause it to rub . I love mysteries .
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Rod » 22 Jun 2017, 22:17

Andy - yes it's mainly fine black dust.

The floor from the kitchen runs into the utility room at the same level and with the same flooring. It then leads to an outside door and a door into the garage. I hung it with very tight tolerances to reduce any draughts. It probably gets more use than any other door in the house.
The doors are quite heavy being made from solid pine.

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Hinge Problem

Postby Rod » 26 Jun 2017, 19:38

I've swapped the hinges with ones from Screwfix.
These are the old ones and you can see how far they've dropped.

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Actually they photos don't but it really shows up in the flesh.
Door nicely clear of the floor.
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Andyp » 26 Jun 2017, 19:53

Did you manage to rehang the door on your own Rod.? I was not a fan of lift off hinges when we first moved here but now I reckon the advantages far out weigh the lack of the ugly visual appearance of them.
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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby RogerS » 26 Jun 2017, 21:13

Andyp wrote:Did you manage to rehang the door on your own Rod.? I was not a fan of lift off hinges when we first moved here but now I reckon the advantages far out weigh the lack of the ugly visual appearance of them.


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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Rod » 26 Jun 2017, 21:16

Yes Andy, the housings were the same but the holes differed slightly.
I use a triangular shaped piece of wood which I use as a foot lever to raise the door. Works really well.

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Re: Hinge Problem

Postby Phil » 27 Jun 2017, 07:33

Rod wrote:I use a triangular shaped piece of wood which I use as a foot lever to raise the door. Works really well.

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In our previous houses I used the same method with wedges to raise the door to hinge height and then screw it them in.

Subsequently I found that just knocking out the pin is easier and less hassles and then using wedges as above to line up the hinge and knock the pin in. Our hinges don't have washers in them.


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