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Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 30 Jul 2017, 09:57

Hi Chaps - apologies for not being around much recently, a change in job at work and then breaking my leg and being in plaster for 6 weeks means I haven't had much chance for woodwork in quite some time :( Good news is that I am now hobbling about without crutches albeit with a plate, 9 pins and 2 big screws in my leg!

Starting off on a small job then, I have the summer to re-wire, board out and re-floor our local Scout hall. Not a paying job (I am one of the Scout leaders) and costs are obviously required to be as low as possible. Looking at flooring options, P5 Cabrefloor from Wickes (and other places) seems ideal - green colour will be perfect needing just a floor varnish over the top and expansion gaps are minimal according to the Norboard manufacturers website meaning I can glue the tongues and hide the expansion under new skirting. However:

the flooring has 'this side up' printed on every board :shock: Clearly not meant to be used as a final surface then. Does anyone know why this has to be laid with that face up? It is green on both sides and would be perfect without the writing on it. I therefore want to lay it the wrong way up and cannot see a major problem with this - just wondered if anyone else could. Some important info:

Wickes cannot tell me why it is labelled like this
It is described as moisture resistant - I do not need this requirement, buying for colour/price really
It is going onto an existing solid floor of chipboard (not onto rafters)
Area is approx 10m x 6m
Floor will be varnished for protection

If anyone has a cheaper or better flooring option for this size room please let me know. Laminate expands too much and can be slippery, parquet is too expensive, ditto lino, tiles are too hard, carpet tiles are just yuck (and will still require a new subfloor) and plain chipboard eg loft panels while fine, are no cheaper than P5 really and the colour is not ideal. This is a Scout hall remember, so floor needs to be hard wearing, cleanable and layable by me rather than a specialist.

Any help appreciated on this - although I would like to take it slowly, it will need to be finished by end August so time is pressing.

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby TrimTheKing » 30 Jul 2017, 10:41

I don't know for sure but I seem to have something in my memory telling me that the markings are just so that you know which face is which so if they get mixed up you don't get in a tizz trying to fit a tongue into a groove from the wrong side and get angry...

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 30 Jul 2017, 18:03

Thank you Mark - much appreciated!

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby RogerS » 30 Jul 2017, 19:00

Ring Norbord?

How did you break your leg? Not up a ladder like Mark, surely ?
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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 30 Jul 2017, 20:55

Hi Roger - playing cricket unfortunately :oops: Body twisted to hit the ball, foot stayed planted so the only thing that could give was my fibia. With a good deal of rotational force behind it, my fibia gave way in a quite impresive fashion, hence the plate, pins and screws! I would like to say it was a county match and I was in impressive form, but actually it was just in the park with a tennis ball and small bat messing about with the kids so I cannot really even claim it was a sporting injury - just one of those silly little things that has massive consequences. Worst bit - was told an ambulance would be up to 4 hours so I had a choice of waiting on the floor in a field in the dark or being helped to hopsital in SWMBO's car - I chose the latter. Triage nurse took one look at me and promptly told me it would be a surgery job and wasn't I a silly boy!

SWMBO still hasn't forgiven me.....

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby RogerS » 30 Jul 2017, 21:34

Jeepers...4 hours ?
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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby Andyp » 30 Jul 2017, 21:38

Sounds awful Steve but 4 hour for an ambulance. Where were you. I knew the NHS was stretched at times but really that long for an ambulance?
* post crossed with Roger, same sentiment.

Are you sure you can rely on your scouts not to get the floor wet? We used to get up to all sorts of high jinks that would and often did end up with water getting everywhere. Doesn't take much of an undetected spill getting between the joints to cause problems.
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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby RogerS » 30 Jul 2017, 21:42

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 30 Jul 2017, 23:24

Thanks Chaps!

The 4 hours was because it was not life threatening and it was a Friday night. I was in a park in town, not out in the sticks, but we are semi rural here in the Fens so a big area to cover for ambulances I guess. Have to say the staff were brilliant once I got to A&E and subsequently through the operation and overnight stays. Nothing but praise for dedicated people doing a caring job to the best of their ability.

Wet floor - we are lucky enough to have a separate kitchen area so this is not a major issue, we also have an outside space (well, a car park) for truly wet activities.

Thanks for the link Roger, had already found that as useful corroboration. I will lay it upside down, give it a couple of coats of floor varnish and keep an eye on it. The existing standard chipboard floor has been down approx 15 years and while it is looking a bit tatty, it seems to have coped fairly well so I am hopefull P5 grade flooring will be just as good if not better.

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby timothyedoran » 31 Jul 2017, 06:46

Our scout hut has a rubber floor. It is scout proof. Not sure how old it is but I would say at least 15 years old. It doesn't cut, or scratch and has a little give when scouts fall over. It is a bit pricey circa £3.5k but would last. To be honest a couple of bag packs at our local supermarket would get us a third of the way! Plus some sponsorship and a grant and you would almost be there.

Chipboard sounds like a cheap option but is it really suitable? Won't it look very tatty. The better your hut looks the easier to rent as a venue.

I don't want to be a downer as scouts provides a unique experience for the kids.

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 31 Jul 2017, 09:15

Thanks Tim - 3.5k is a bit out of our league unfortunately. If you could see what we have, you would definitely consider P5 flooring to be an upgrade! I will try and post some pics when I get properly underway - managed to paint the ceiling yesterday afternoon so have started! Given the state of the hall and our account balance, this time round will be a 'good enough' job with a view to tiding things over for 5 years or so I would think. Would love to go all-out but simply don't have the funds currently - what we are doing is already funded by 2 council grants, fundraising and donations and does not include any labour costs other than £50 for a qualified sparky to sign off on the electrical installation.

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby billybuntus » 31 Jul 2017, 10:36

Hello,

I'm currently re-flooring a full house with the wickes board.

I see no reason why you can't turn the stuff over. Just glue every edge as usual it will be fine.

I fitted a workshop out with this stuff a few years back. I was watering the garden and hadn't realized the hose had split and it literally turned my workshop and flooring into a swimming pool with 3 inches of water on the surface and it got underneath. The workshop was built as per mikes instruction and had full DPM so any water that got under the floor was there for the foreseeable.

The flooring didn't move at all despite an extensive soaking. It's still fine to this day.

It would be worth painting the flooring with either decent varnish or floor paint to give it some form of protection. You'd get a few years out of it and maybe consider some rubber matting etc for high traffic areas to prevent extensive wear. Worst case scenario you can overboard the floor with some suitable flooring at a later time and refit skirting.

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby StevieB » 31 Jul 2017, 13:37

Thanks Billy - good to know, although I am hoping it is never under 3 inches of water!

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby Norty Raskel » 31 Jul 2017, 15:07

Andyp wrote:Are you sure you can rely on your scouts not to get the floor wet? We used to get up to all sorts of high jinks that would and often did end up with water getting everywhere. Doesn't take much of an undetected spill getting between the joints to cause problems.


When I was a youth in the scouts, we (ok me) set the handheld fire extinguishers off on the scout hut floor made a fabulous skiddy floor which gave us much enjoyment for 5 minutes - until the scout leader arrived, needless to say I was asked to find a new scout group after that. I joined the air cadets for two weeks but couldn't take the constant marching......................

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Re: Cabrefloor P5 flooring question

Postby Andyp » 02 Aug 2017, 08:06

Norty Raskel wrote:
Andyp wrote:Are you sure you can rely on your scouts not to get the floor wet? We used to get up to all sorts of high jinks that would and often did end up with water getting everywhere. Doesn't take much of an undetected spill getting between the joints to cause problems.


When I was a youth in the scouts, we (ok me) set the handheld fire extinguishers off on the scout hut floor made a fabulous skiddy floor which gave us much enjoyment for 5 minutes - until the scout leader arrived, needless to say I was asked to find a new scout group after that. I joined the air cadets for two weeks but couldn't take the constant marching......................

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:eusa-naughty: :eusa-naughty:

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And there is me wondering where your moniker came from. :D

Last time I got involved in a similar trick was on a school cruise ( yes really ) . We jammed the extinguishers open under the deck railings then chased unsuspecting friends around the corner and watched as they tried to keep their feet.
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