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£9k Door

Postby Rod » 29 Sep 2018, 12:28

I attended a memorial service yesterday at an 800yr old church which had medieval paintings on its walls and a very old entrance door.

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There was a sign on the door saying they were seeking £9k to renovate it which seemed a lot on the high side to me.

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Mike G » 29 Sep 2018, 13:32

Looks great as it is. I wouldn't touch it.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Rod » 29 Sep 2018, 14:14

Sadly it’s already been badly patched up and is full of holes etc - hence the curtain.
And once drawn any late comers can’t get in.
I don’t know the full background but perhaps they are trying to restore and keep as much of the original as possible hence the cost??

Lovely church, Florence Nightingale is buried there.

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Woodster » 29 Sep 2018, 17:33

I wouldn’t bother using any of it. I would leave it as it is and put it in storage somewhere and make an exact as possible copy of it in new wood and metal. Except of course for the bodge on the bottom of the door.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby RogerS » 29 Sep 2018, 18:43

£9k is crazy money. What are they proposing to do? Scarf in little bits here and there to repair the rotten bits ?
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Andyp » 29 Sep 2018, 18:55

A bit of detail here
https://sites.google.com/a/stmargaretsw ... churchdoor

Have to agree with woodster. Put it on display and build a new one. Give some local tradesmen the opportunity for the carpentry and metal work and use some local timber. With a bit of effort I bet they could get a timber supplier to donate or discount the timber.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Mike G » 29 Sep 2018, 21:15

It's historic value is its context. I would absolutely leave it where it was, remove the modern repairs, and do some more subtle but distinct modern repairs myself. By distinct, I mean I wouldn't be trying to make the repairs invisible, or trying to fake anything. Just do the minimum necessary to turn that back into a solid reliable working door, keeping as much of the original as you can. Hell, if it were near by, I'd volunteer to do it for a third of the money.

No way would I support the approach they are taking (adding a stainless steel frame and faking the joinery with aged timber). That's just wrong. The approach should be to do the repair as the original craftsmen would do if they had a time machine to the 21st century, and there is no way on this planet that they'd go looking for old timber to blend in with the existing.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Rod » 30 Sep 2018, 10:52

It’s a Grade 1 listed building so I’m surprised they would go for the Church’s proposals. They normally like to see a clear distinction between old and new on repairs.

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Woodster » 30 Sep 2018, 13:46

It’s a door, and it’s close to being unable to perform it’s primary function. It’s time to remove it. By all means retain it and keep it as a historic relic if that’s what they wish. They can then remove the various pozidrive screws and lumps of 20th century softwood from it. It’s time to make a nice new facsimile of the door in some nice new English Oak with metalwork made by a local Blacksmith.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Sep 2018, 13:55

I agree with Rog; £9K to repair that door is insane whichever way you slices it. Unless of course you're aiming to get Linley to do the job :lol: :lol: - Rob
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Re: £9k Door

Postby RogerS » 30 Sep 2018, 14:11

Woodbloke wrote:I agree with Rog; £9K to repair that door is insane whichever way you slices it. Unless of course you're aiming to get Linley to do the job :lol: :lol: - Rob


That would never work as he uses MDF a lot :lol:
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Sep 2018, 18:11

RogerS wrote:
That would never work as he uses MDF a lot :lol:

Having made for Linley, I can confirm that his junk uses mdf. A LOT :D - Rob
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Mike G » 30 Sep 2018, 18:53

Woodster wrote:........ It’s time to remove it............


Rod wrote:It’s a Grade 1 listed building......


These two statements are incompatible.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby selectortone » 30 Sep 2018, 19:32

They should get that jack-the-lad foreman bloke from the BBC "Repair Shop" go have a go at it. He might get some wear on that shiny new leather apron he wears. :mrgreen:
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Andyp » 01 Oct 2018, 09:01

Of course I have no idea if that door can be saved or not but surely even on a Grade 1 listed building there comes a time when things have to be replaced rather than repaired.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Rod » 01 Oct 2018, 10:24

Whatever happens, I was thinking it might be a job for the Hampshire Door Co. who are based not too far from it and run by one of our members??

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Mike G » 01 Oct 2018, 13:11

Andyp wrote:Of course I have no idea if that door can be saved or not but surely even on a Grade 1 listed building there comes a time when things have to be replaced rather than repaired.


Yes, but I'd say that door was a couple of hundred years away from that point.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Andyp » 01 Oct 2018, 14:28

You are going to have to go back when the job is done a take some photos for us Rod.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby Rod » 01 Oct 2018, 14:59

Will do.

It’s a lovely church but “in the middle of nowhere” and I’m puzzled to why it was built there.
I suppose things might have altered in the area since it was built in 1215.
It’s accessed by a very long and very narrow single track road.

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Malc2098 » 01 Oct 2018, 15:56

You've got on the maps again!!!

If you look at the following two maps, St Margarets is in the middle of two estates joined by an east/west footpath, Embley Park and Melchet Park.

Foot paths now known as Public Rights of Way and managed by Local Highway Authorities, would have been used mainly to join places of residence with places of work, worship and burial.

I suspect that St Margarets provided the place of worship that might have been too far to walk to the next nearest church.

That's my hypothesis, anyway.
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Re: £9k Door

Postby stu » 01 Oct 2018, 17:33

Rod wrote:Whatever happens, I was thinking it might be a job for the Hampshire Door Co. who are based not too far from it and run by one of our members??

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Thanks Rod for the heads up! To be honest, this is the sort of job that I would have jumped at before, but now avoid like the plague! I try to stick to jobs where it's just me and the client in the discussion. As soon as anyone else gets involved, be it listed consent, builders, architects, church committee, everyone wants to have their say and we lose some control. Where it's just me and the client we all get along nicely and can I manage expectations of the delivery!

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Re: £9k Door

Postby Pinch » 01 Oct 2018, 19:11

Fabulous old door. 8-)

I agree with some of the chaps; it should stay as it is and be preserved perhaps behind a large glass enclosure next to where it was once hung for many years. A new door made to a similar spec in its place and next to the old door would be a wonderful thing to see.
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