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my kind of vice

Postby sunnybob » 02 Oct 2021, 05:00

This is the cleverest and most versatile vice I have ever seen.
at 3 mins its shown working, at 7 mins it rotates 90 degrees!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aLrbnIPPx4
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby AndyT » 02 Oct 2021, 11:57

Yep, that's a pattern maker's vice, designed to hold all sorts of odd shaped pieces at funny angles, a requirement shared by wooden boat builders.

The famous ones are by Emmert or Oliver but it's the sort of tool where US ingenuity brought out many extra ideas and patents.
There are modern copies around if you really, really want one but they're not cheap.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Trevanion » 02 Oct 2021, 12:28

AndyT wrote:There are modern copies around if you really, really want one but they're not cheap.


Matt over at Workshop Heaven had some new stock delivered of the copies not too long ago:

https://www.workshopheaven.com/pattern-makers-vice.html

Still cheaper than buying an Emmert, Oliver, or Wadkin in nice condition.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby sunnybob » 02 Oct 2021, 12:29

I really really want one, but unlike the vices, I AM cheap :eusa-violin: 8-)
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby AndyT » 02 Oct 2021, 12:32

But Bob, that means we'll never get the long saga of how you tried and failed to get 27kg of cast iron delivered to your desert island! :D
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Trevanion » 02 Oct 2021, 12:46

AndyT wrote:But Bob, that means we'll never get the long saga of how you tried and failed to get 27kg of cast iron delivered to your desert island! :D


27kg? Lightweight! Wallace bought a Wadkin one a while back and he said it was over 75kg!

I don't think he'll mind me borrowing his photo from another thread here:

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Re: my kind of vice

Postby sunnybob » 02 Oct 2021, 13:43

Strange you should mention shipping..... :o
Next march we are going back to the UK for a very big anniversary.
'er indoors found a very unusual bargain with BA, and we are coming back business class, which gives us 64 KG of luggage EACH :shock: :shock:
But I can be sure that none of that is going to be a cast iron vice :eusa-hand: :eusa-hand: 8-)
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Alf » 02 Oct 2021, 15:20

My kind of vice, too. The Patternmaker's Vice Fairy* left one on my doorstep some years ago for the princely sum of finding out much drama I'd make out of dealing with it. (Answer: Lots.) Should you wish to be similarly entertained, my struggle. Irritatingly displayed in reverse order, but if you go all the way back to 5/5/10 you can enjoy the angst and the bruised shins from day one. They're not a vice variety to undertake lightly, but the gizmosity factor is high once they're up and running.

*One of the more muscular fairies, I imagine.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby AJB Temple » 02 Oct 2021, 18:38

Interesting! My dad (was an engineer) had one and it is still attached to his bench at my mum's house. I remember helping him fit it many years ago and it required him (big bloke), me (likewise) and my brother (bigger) to get the damn thing bolted to the bench.

Brilliant bit of kit but ludicrously heavy.

Not uncommon around the midlands in the toolmaker areas (or what used to be such areas).
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Mike G » 02 Oct 2021, 19:17

Anyone following Acorn to Arabella?

I can't fault their dedication and work ethic, but they are making mistake after mistake, some of which are fundamental and they'll regret for years. And all delivered with a slightly "I know better than you" attitude. Frustrating.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby AJB Temple » 02 Oct 2021, 19:34

Had not heard of it until your post Mike.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby NickM » 02 Oct 2021, 21:46

Mike G wrote:Anyone following Acorn to Arabella?

I can't fault their dedication and work ethic, but they are making mistake after mistake, some of which are fundamental and they'll regret for years. And all delivered with a slightly "I know better than you" attitude. Frustrating.


I have no knowledge of these things whatsoever, but my instinct is also that they’re making some mistakes. In particular, they always seem to be putting a lot of weight into their boat. Watching Tally Ho is a real contrast.

Hopefully they’ll prove us wrong.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Alf » 02 Oct 2021, 23:59

I only saw a fragment, but it included planing something whilst relying on the gripping power of rubber matting. Forgotten a lot, I have, but pretty sure hard way to do that is. [/yoda]
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby Andy Kev. » 06 Oct 2021, 12:20

Is this essentially the same as the vice in the OP:

https://www.dictum.com/en/accessories-a ... ice-705767

It weighs 25 kg.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby GaryR » 11 Feb 2024, 03:54

I thought I would resurrect this thread to show my Emmert. This a "K1" version, Type 5. My best guess is that it was made 1940-1960. I bought it 15 years ago from an online friend who found two of them at a defunct pattern making shop in Buffalo, New York. I didn't have a bench stout enough to support it until 2018. I had to design and build the bench to accommodate the vise without tipping over. This Emmert weighs about 40 kg.

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I rarely use all the features, but when I do have to tilt something or rotate something or hold something big, it makes me smile. And the ability to camber the jaws is great for clamping tapered table legs.
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Re: my kind of vice

Postby AJB Temple » 11 Feb 2024, 11:35

Very nice vice.

I don't have photos of my father's one, but from memory the faces on his are much thicker - at least double. I think the factory ones were pretty robust, but surprising smooth in operation. The benches in the engineering tool makers shop were always bolted to the floor and my father bolted his bench to the floor as well. Hence no risk of tipping up. It was (still is) in any case a very heavy bench as it incorporated a flat cast iron plate at one end that is about 2 feet square.
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