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Re: Table Saw

Postby Tusses » 23 Jan 2017, 16:32

nice result :-)
and good that you are straight into using it :D
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Andyp » 23 Jan 2017, 16:41

Well done Erich
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Commander » 23 Jan 2017, 19:07

Thanks for the kind words gents, I have to say I'm very pleased with it so far, makes a huge difference to the work shop, I should have done this a long time ago...
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Commander » 31 Jan 2017, 06:37

I have been meaning to do a quick wright-up about using vinegar to clean up rust, so here it is eventually!

Here are some before pics:

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Even the wooden handle looks worse for ware:

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My first challenge was finding a container big enough to put the plane in, I eventually settled on a paint tray. The vinegar was diluted to about 50/50 with normal tap water, however I didn't measure this actually, it was more of an eye ball measurement. I started off with brushing the solution on with an old toothbrush and that actually worked pretty well right off the bat, however that is still a lot of work, so I wanted to soak the plane and see what would happen.

The plane soaked for about 3 days (I probably should have taken it out a little sooner, but things were just too busy to get round to it).

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As you can see I still didn't manage to submerge the whole plane, I did however manage to soak the parts. The solution was very dark and there was some foam on top showing me a chemical reaction as definitely taking place.

After taking it out of the solution it did still require a lot of brushing though...

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But with some brushing the change was very apparent!

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I then started with "tool-in-a-can" and some fine water paper to clean up the residue and remaining rust. It did also seem necessary as the plane started to rust up again within minutes.

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Here you can see the difference between the 2 blades, one cleaned with tool-in-a-can and sanding only (in the plane) and one first cleaned with the vinegar method and finished with tool-in-a-can (in my hand). It did however for some reason leave the change in colour as can be seen just below the slot, I suspect this might be where the blade was hardened. It did seem to remove the outer finish of the blade as well, so I'm not sure if it will retain an edge as well as before.

Here is the final side by side comparison, the small plane was cleaned with tool-in-a-can only while the larger plane was done with vinegar.

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The results look similar but I would say the vinegar plane is more uniformly clean.

So in conclusion I'm a little in two minds here, the vinegar method does work, but it has a couple of drawbacks:
1) Finding a large enough tray/container to soak the rusty item in (not always a problem, but will be in many cases)
2) The item has to soak for a bit.
3) It seems to remove the finishing from some metal parts, so I guess you will have to be careful on what exactly you use it on.
4) You still have to brush the item, so some elbow grease involved.
5) You still have to sand a bit and apply machine oil of some sort to protect the metal.

This may be a good method for heavily rusted items or items that prohibit sanding down (lots of small details etc.), but for simple items I think just sanding down with a fine water paper and machine oil is quicker and just as effective.

I hope someone finds this useful, thanks for looking!
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Phil » 31 Jan 2017, 07:02

Erich

Nice job. Plane looks good.

Is the tool-in-a-can similar to Q20?

Did you have a look at what Wallace does on his machine refurbishment? (cleaning, polishing etc.) as a different approach to vinegar?
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Andyp » 31 Jan 2017, 07:18

Good job Erich. Can you get hold of some Camillia Oil, or similar, to wipe over and protect the planes now that they are all nice and shiny?
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Commander » 31 Jan 2017, 07:50

Thanks for the comments gents!

Phil, I'm a big fan of Wallace's work on the Wadkin machines, very impressive and I'm sure he could do a better job of it. I don'y have most of the specialised equipment he uses though. And I would say tool in-a-can is very similar to Q20, it also comes in a aerosol can and its intended function is the same, as I recall I bought it one day when I couldn't find normal Q20.

Andy, I think the tool in-a-can will perform the same function, I will however keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't start to rust. How often do you re-apply the Camillia oil? I'm guessing the thin coating will wear off as the plane is in use?

Also, I haven't repainted the handle yet as I'm not to sure what to use, any ideas? (I sanded it down to bare wood as the varnish was ruined, I would want to seal it again before using it.)
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Andyp » 31 Jan 2017, 08:07

Commander wrote:Andy, I think the tool in-a-can will perform the same function, I will however keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't start to rust. How often do you re-apply the Camillia oil? I'm guessing the thin coating will wear off as the plane is in use?A


The stuff I have comes in a little spay bottle. A quick spray and a wipe, and (expect much mirth from the back) I then put them into socks before they go in the tool cabinet drawer.
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Re: Table Saw

Postby TrimTheKing » 31 Jan 2017, 08:44

I have started using Boeshield. Not cheap but dries like a hard wax/PTFE style surface sealing the metal for ages and only comes off on the planing surface so rarely needs topping up.

I suffer from terminal and potent rustfinger so I need to protect any and all of my Iron based tools from my corrosive digits and have tried camelia, wd40, veg oil and many more and found that Boeshield is far and away the best product, but at a price.

I bought it on a 2-for-1 from Rutlands last time I think which made it much more acceptably priced.

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Re: Table Saw

Postby DaveL » 31 Jan 2017, 09:09

I prefer not to paint or varnish the handles, I use an oil finish. I like the Chestnut hard wax oil, but don't know if you can get it over there, I have used Danish oil or Finishing oil they work OK but are not as hard wearing.
Go job on removing the rust, I use Lubricating wax on my hand tools as well as on machines, stop rust and helps them slide.
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Commander » 31 Jan 2017, 09:50

Thanks for the tips! I think a lubricating wax would be great as it has the dual functions. I will have to do a bit of searching for some of the names and items mentioned.
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Jan 2017, 11:57

Thanks, Erich.

Notes taken for when I have to do mine, and I'll do a before and after post, too.
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Re: Table Saw

Postby TomTrees » 01 Feb 2017, 00:21

I was going to suggest that you needed a plane otherwise you could never get the best out of the saw ...and that it was plain dangerous ....Good to see you've got some ..and a very nice job you've made of them too !
Now your gonna get precision ..the plane is the ultimate tool for accuracy and if ya use the plane as well as ya clean em up, theirs no going back now ...
What sort of bench do you have ?
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Re: Table Saw

Postby Commander » 01 Feb 2017, 07:47

Malc2098 wrote:Thanks, Erich.

Notes taken for when I have to do mine, and I'll do a before and after post, too.


I'm looking forward to it Malcolm!
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