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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 19 Jun 2018, 10:07

Malc2098 wrote:
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Malc2098 wrote:Bother! Blow and blast!

You boys made me go and buy one, even though I’m on holiday!



Did yours have an ETA of 27th June?



Blimey! You're good!


Strange because I remember seeing a little countdown on their product page, Only 4 Avail..... etc. Presumably they don't take payment until the goods are despatched.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 19 Jun 2018, 11:48

Nope! The payment has been taken.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Bucks woodshop » 19 Jun 2018, 12:19

I was considering the kapex but now i think im going for the LS1019 makita

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby RogerS » 19 Jun 2018, 12:47

Bucks woodshop wrote:I was considering the kapex but now i think im going for the LS1019 makita

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I've just looked at the price of that Makita. I strongly urge you to reconsider the Kapex. It just oozes quality.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Bucks woodshop » 19 Jun 2018, 13:14

There are 2 reasons i discounted the kapex to get the features i want id have to go up to the 88 or the 120 and thats not a cost i can justify

Also the motor burn out issue has me more than a little nervous i looked at the glide from bosch but there is too much slop

See others but the dust collection is pants

The makita is a compromise i know but it ticks the technical boxes and the price is better

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Bucks woodshop » 19 Jun 2018, 13:44

Pretty good rating tooImage

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Bucks woodshop » 19 Jun 2018, 14:02

Grrrr i hate mitre saws causing me so much stress

Looked at the LS1019L and its huge even though it has forward bars like the festool its over 40 inches from the wall to fully extended

Back to the drawing board trip to axminster next week me thinks

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 19 Jun 2018, 15:59

Malc2098 wrote:Nope! The payment has been taken.


I thought that one could not be charged for goods before they were despatched
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby 9fingers » 19 Jun 2018, 16:06

Andyp wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Nope! The payment has been taken.


I thought that one could not be charged for goods before they were despatched


Urban myth I think Andy...

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 20 Jun 2018, 16:47

9fingers wrote:
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Malc2098 wrote:Nope! The payment has been taken.


I thought that one could not be charged for goods before they were despatched


Urban myth I think Andy...

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Or justs good practice by the more reputable retailers.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Jun 2018, 22:08

Email from FFX today, parcel should be dispatched today.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Rod » 20 Jun 2018, 22:37

The excitement grows!

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On another note, the well commended Plunge Saw from Lidl should be back on sale on Sunday.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 21 Jun 2018, 09:14

Malc2098 wrote:Email from FFX today, parcel should be dispatched today.

I bet yours is not the only one. Hope it lives up to expectations.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Jun 2018, 09:27

Just received Festool's Service all-inclusive certificate.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Bucks woodshop » 21 Jun 2018, 09:56

Im going to axminster saturday to have a gander at the festool and the makita

I may be joining the festool team soon enough lol

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby RogerS » 21 Jun 2018, 13:03

It's no good sitting in that box, Malc.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Jun 2018, 13:24

RogerS wrote:It's no good sitting in that box, Malc.



Ha!! I'm still painting and laying the working flooring.

Then I've got to take it out of the box and examine it to make sure it's not a Oriental copy!
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 21 Jun 2018, 13:30

Bucks woodshop wrote:Im going to axminster saturday to have a gander at the festool and the makita

I may be joining the festool team soon enough lol

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I wonder how often FFX have the type of deals we saw last week. Might be worth registering for their newsletter.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Jun 2018, 14:14

I have to say that I have no complaints about FFX's process. They said it would be with me before 28th June, and it was.

Unlike the company that sold me the table saw.

Interestingly, I ordered a W60 blade as well. The blade and the FFX catalogue were inside the Festool carton.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby 9fingers » 23 Jun 2018, 15:56

I've just had the change to give the Festool Kapex KS60 E-Set SMCS a quick test drive today.

I'd best state my prejudices first.
I'd regarded sliding saws as having to be exceptionally well engineered to make accurate cuts over the length of the slide and I've avoided them to date
Festool seem overpriced for the amateur user and the excellent backup which you pay for would benefit the trade but less so the home user.

However this saw that retails around £580 from our favourite west country dealer has recently been on offer for £439 elsewhere which is a very very good price.

This saw with its 216mm blade and 225mm slide will cut a 305mm (12") wide board with ease at 90 degrees.
The cut can be set just over +/- 45 degrees from vertical and +/- 60 degrees horizontally. This makes it stand out from many machines that only offer 45 vertical tilt to one side and +/-45 horizontally.
The slide has forward facing rails which are very rigid and reduce the amount of space Needed(wasted!) behind the saw compare to other brands/designs.
Space needed behind the fence is a modest 325mm and when set to 90 degree operation needs 410mm in front. If the machine is stored at 60 from the straight cut position, this reduces to 230mm in front of the fence, a total of 555mm front to back. The machine width is 540mm and 610 high with the blade raised.

The supplied blade is superb and gives an almost shiny cut surface. Although brush motor powered (1200W), it is not too noisy and did not have me reaching for the ear defenders.

The blade depth stop is very solid and provides an adjustment for trenching. I did not give this an exhaustive test but this mode does expose some design compromises. When fully pushed away from the operator, the central axis of the blade is significantly in front of the fence line which means that the end of trenches follow the curve of the blade. In order to cut flat bottom trenches, a piece of parallel scrap wood needs to be clamped to the fence to bring the workpiece in front of the blade axis which reduces the trenching capacity from 305mm to 265mm but not the end of the world.
The trench depth control is a small un calibrated rotary knob which does not appear to have any locking facility. This could rotate with machine vibration and the trench depth could vary during a job. One nice feature is that the the depth stop screw pivots on an arc and can be disengaged for a through cut and returned to the previous preset trench depth - assuming it does not drift with vibration.

The worst feature is the LED light which is meant to cast a shadow of the blade on to the job so you can align the cut to a scribed line. I was using this in daylight and would have needed a photographers cape to have seen this. It may be better in a gloomy shed but now we are lighting our workshops to a higher level, this feature needs to be be much brighter to be useful.

There is easy to use locking knob on the sliding mechanism to return it to simple chopsaw mode (80mm crosscut capacity) and a positive lock to hold the head in the down position when not in use.

This machine is very well engineered and slides accurately and at the offer price matches other relatively high end machines bringing it closer to hobby wallet capacity.

I'm sure Malc will be along later with a much more detailed review of his but I'm impressed so far. Shame I have to pack it all away ready to transport it to Andy in la belle France.

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Andyp » 23 Jun 2018, 16:55

Thanks Bob, I am relieved to here that it is good working order. Did you hook up any dust extraction when you had a play? I intend to use my existing set up by way of reducers down from 100mm to Roger’s 40mm elbow.

I’ll have to remember to switch the workshop lights off when I use it. :)

Like Malc, I was caught in a moment of weakness when I ordered it. Amongst other things I do have a wooden floor to lay in the master bedroom ... soon, where I am sure it will come into it’s own. At the price it did seem a good deal especially when I have struggled to find one here at less than €700 or £600+
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby RogerS » 23 Jun 2018, 17:07

Excellent review, Bob. Totally agree with you...the LED light is pretty poor and very difficult to see. Mine is out of whack I think.Not sure if there is an adjustment.
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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby 9fingers » 23 Jun 2018, 17:47

Andyp wrote:....Did you hook up any dust extraction when you had a play?



No I didn't try any extraction. I did not take it into the workshop just in case my non-sliding Makita took offence or indeed any other tool got the hump with a blue and green infiltrator. :lol:

It threw a fair proportion of the dust out of the extraction port without any suction which bodes well for assisted dust collection.

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Re: Buying a sliding mitre saw

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Jun 2018, 18:38

Well, there was Mrs Malc and me outside Lidl (in the next town, we haven't got one!) this morning at 10 o'clock mixing it with the rest of the OAPs wanting to get in for the Sunday specials.

I bought two track saws, one for me and one for my nipper's birthday next week.

I used it this afternoon to lay the next 40 sq feet of flooring and it did the job well. I've got nothing to compare it to, like the black and green ones, but compared to using my circular saw against a straight edge, this was a doddle, even to the extent of taking off half the thickness of the blade to ease a part sheet in between a whole one and the wall.

Nice one, whoever headsed that up. Thanks.
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