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Camvac

Postby Woodpile » 04 Mar 2015, 10:02

Anyone have experience of a Camvac 286-4, years ago I made a mistake and bought a one of these thinking it would be powerful enough to use with ducting,
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-ho ... -extractor
I have severe to profound hearing loss,I only ever do a couple of hours woodwork in the afternoons when the neighbours are at work, so noise isn't a problem.
As the drum is small I will be using a Thein baffle, I will be connecting via 4" ducting, a bandsaw, table saw, bench sander and a SCMS, all will have blast gates fitted.
I will probably keep the Axminster extractor and leave it connected to my planer/thicknesser.
Also I will be buying from The Toolpost in Oxford, via the Internet, has anyone used them?

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Re: Camvac

Postby RogerM » 04 Mar 2015, 10:41

Presumably you mean the little Axminster was not up to the job, not the Camvac? I have the twin motor Camvac 286-4 and although it's not attached to built in ducting, it will suck for England. You need to check it regularly as it seems to fill remarkably quickly when attached to a planer thicknesser, and you need to wash the bag from time to time, but I'm very happy with mine.
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Re: Camvac

Postby Wizard9999 » 04 Mar 2015, 13:07

How funny, I was looking at the wall mounted version (GV286W4) online only last night. Comparing it to the a Record Power (DX5000) it looks very similar; motors, power, air flow and filtration are all comparable. The Record Power has 200l capacity vs 150l for the Camvac. It is also the case that the Record Power is bigger (reflecting greater capacity in part) but it also weighs more. Normally I would question whether weight equates in some way to quality, but I do also note that Camvac (following the acquisition by Record Power) provides the same 5 year warranty.

Given the above, from my perspective it would be hard justify the apparent price difference between the two on anything the online specification highlights, with the Record Power at £449.99 vs the Camvac price tag of £314.49.


I am alert to noise though, given other comments. If I am running one of these types of machine in a also ably well insulated workshop in my garden about 50 feet from my neighbour's kitchen (newly extended with very up to date double glazing) are they likely to be able to hear the dust extractor running?

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Re: Camvac

Postby chataigner » 04 Mar 2015, 13:25

I doubt that the extractor will be the issue. The planer and bench saw in particular will make a lot more noise. My workshop in a solid stone built barn is 100m from a neighbour who says he can hear machines running some of the time. Subjectively it is the planer that makes the most noise, I dont know if measured noise levels bear this out ? Anyone got figures ?
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Re: Camvac

Postby RogerS » 04 Mar 2015, 15:31

It's also the frequency spectrum of the noise to consider. A Camvac is a brush motor and will make much more noise than, say, something like the Axminster 2200 chip extractor which uses an induction motor which sends out more of a low hum than a banshee wail.
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Re: Camvac

Postby Andyp » 04 Mar 2015, 15:51

Stew, I have a Camvac twin motor 286 4" inlet. Hooked up to a cyclone from Cyclone Central. The camvac sits outside and above the workshop with 4" duct to the cyclone and then around the workshop. Copes amazingly well with chips from P/T as well as dust from lathe, Table saw etc. Very pleased.

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viewtopic.php?f=26&t=471&hilit=camvac&start=50

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Re: Camvac

Postby RogerS » 04 Mar 2015, 16:05

Popped out to the workshop with my sound level meter. Using A weighting which matches the perception of the ear to the noise spectrum, a few quick results as follows:

Chip extractor (induction) 77 dB

Camvac twin (brush) 84dB

Sedgwick planer/thicknesser (no cutting) 83dB

Delta thicknesser (brush) 96dB

Bosch SCMS (no cutting) 100dB (cutting a bit of 2x2 = 104dB )
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Re: Camvac

Postby Woodpile » 04 Mar 2015, 20:29

Thanks guys, I thought the Camvac would be up to it, I just wanted confirmation, the only problem (well not so much a problem as a little niggle) is I will not be able to change from one motor to two remotely, but the up side is, I will be able to breath :D
The reason I am buying from The Toolpost is its just over £300 delivered, best price I could find.

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Re: Camvac

Postby Andyp » 04 Mar 2015, 20:38

Fwiw I run mine continuously on both motors. I do have a remote socket so I can switch it on and off easily.
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Re: Camvac

Postby Rod » 04 Mar 2015, 23:28

I had a Camvac but the 4" ducting couldn't cope with the shavings from my P/T especially woods like Maple and Sycamore that produced long spirally shavings.
My Record DX with 100mm entry - no problems.

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Re: Camvac

Postby TrimTheKing » 05 Mar 2015, 09:17

Erm 4" & 100mm are the same thing... :~

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Re: Camvac

Postby Rod » 05 Mar 2015, 10:06

Oops - senior moment my Camvac had 75mm entry!!
I'm sure one with 100mm will be fine.

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Re: Camvac

Postby TrimTheKing » 05 Mar 2015, 10:25

I have an Axy 2200 DX with 100mm and a Numatic NVD750 with both 100mm & 32mm ports and they satisfy all my needs. The 2200 runs exclusively at 100mm and is used on my P/T and bottom port of TS/BS and the Numatic tends to get used on the crown guard for TS, spindle sander, under table on TS, close vac type work.

Not sure how the Camvac compares to the Numatic but the 750 has a hell of a lot of suck! Pricey though.

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Re: Camvac

Postby RogerS » 05 Mar 2015, 10:48

The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.
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Re: Camvac

Postby TrimTheKing » 05 Mar 2015, 11:39

RogerS wrote:The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.

Same as you, not sure which I bought or from where but it wasn't the expensive Axy one.

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Re: Camvac

Postby Wizard9999 » 05 Mar 2015, 22:33

RogerS wrote:The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.


Do you know if this is what is now branded as the AWEDE2?

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Re: Camvac

Postby TrimTheKing » 05 Mar 2015, 22:52

Wizard9999 wrote:Do you know if this is what is now branded as the AWEDE2?

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Not quite Terry, the AWEDE2 looks to be considerably lower powered, see below

Air Flow 850m³/hr
Bag Capacity 57 litres
Capacity N/A
Hose Diameter 100mm
Model AWEDE2
Nett Weight 24.5kg
Noise Level 73dB(A)
Overall L X W X H 790 x 370 x 1,530mm
Particle Size 30 micron
Power 750W (230V, 1ph)
Pressure N/A
Rating Hobby


ADE2200
Air Flow: 2,200m³/hr
Bag Capacity: 148 litres
Hose Diameter: 1 x 150mm or 2 x 100mm
Nett Weight: 52kg
Overall L x W x H: 1,070 x 560 x 2,010mm
Power: 1,100W
Rating: Trade

Shame because as Roger says it's a really powerful beast.

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Re: Camvac

Postby stephen.wood125 » 05 Mar 2015, 23:01

As Mark said I have the AWEDE2 with the fine filter cartridge and upgraded to the SIP 3HP beast.

The AWEDE2 is good for smaller machines but is noticeably less grunty than its bigger bro!

Mine will go on eBay as I need the room, had I not got a great deal on the SIP at Costco then the big 2200 Axi would definitely have been on my watch list.
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Re: Camvac

Postby Wizard9999 » 06 Mar 2015, 11:01

OK, thanks chaps. Presume the Axi 2200 must be an older model as can't see that in their website. Seems the closest spec is the FM3000BC.

2,000m³/hr @100mm inlet 2,500m³/hr @125mm inlet
150 litres
47kg
77dB(A)
1.5kW (230V, 1ph)
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Re: Camvac

Postby TrimTheKing » 06 Mar 2015, 11:02

Wizard9999 wrote:OK, thanks chaps. Presume the Axi 2200 must be an loder model as can't see that in their website. Seems the closest spec is the FM3000BC.

2,000m³/hr @100mm inlet 2,500m³/hr @125mm inlet
150 litres
47kg
77dB(A)
1.5kW (230V, 1ph)
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Yep, mine is probably 6-7 years old now.

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Re: Camvac

Postby Wizard9999 » 06 Mar 2015, 11:18

stephen.wood125 wrote:...had I not got a great deal on the SIP at Costco then the big 2200 Axi would definitely have been on my watch list.


Gosh, that was a good tip, that looks a lot of extractor for not a lot of money. CostCo currently quote £199.99 (incl. VAT) for the SIP which is little more than small Axi and more grunt than the big Axi. I presume that in the time you have had the SIP you have been happy with it?

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Re: Camvac

Postby stephen.wood125 » 06 Mar 2015, 11:51

Haha you beat me, was going to post a link for Costco members (and friends thereof)

http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk ... 1.4/153402

Yes I'm delighted. I also got the filter off the old UB802 Axminster trade unit for a reduced £107 (same diameter). I swear sometimes when I use it I can see the walls of my garage bow inwards! :lol:
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Re: Camvac

Postby Woodpile » 07 Mar 2015, 09:48

I've seen on other woodworking sites that the SIP doesn't perform as is quoted by the manufacturers, one buyer was even given a full refund by SIP, has anyone actually measured the performance of this model?

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Re: Camvac

Postby RogerS » 07 Mar 2015, 10:05

And worth pointing out that with all fine dust filters they will blind after a while. I have a manometer which, when I'm minded to, will measure the pressure drop across the filter. Ideally it should be zero. I do remember weighing one of the RB cartridges before and after a lot of use and found about 5kg of fine dust was adhering to the inside pleats proving it works well!
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Re: Camvac

Postby stephen.wood125 » 07 Mar 2015, 11:03

Interesting to hear.

I came from having the AWEDE2 so it felt like a massive step up. I have no means of measuring though :?
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