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Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 12:37

Before I go any further with this 10.5" beech bowl what would you do with these splits?

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The largest one filled with superglue some weeks ago and the split has not widened
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And directly opposite is this smaller split also filled with superglue and holding up well.
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I am not convinced the superglue will hold once it is brought in to the house.

I was thinking about running a saw down the split and glueing in some dark veneer. Each cut to the same depth and maybe repeat it equidistant around the bowl anything up to 12 times.

This is the largest bowl I have made and close to the maximum possible on the lathe so I really want to keep it.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Robert » 24 Apr 2018, 14:18

I'd have thought epoxy would be better than superglue. Epoxy is strong on its own. Superglue needs to be a thin film for strength...i think.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 14:56

I have two part Wests epoxy but it is very thick and I would have thought unlikely to flow into the crack, which, don't foget, is filled with superglue. I wonder if I can get the superglue out.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby RogerS » 24 Apr 2018, 15:00

I would cut out just two thin wedges where the cracks are thus removing the superglue. Wait a few days for any tension to dissipate then use your epoxy to glue in two wedges as you suggested. You can make West runnier by shining a nice hot lamp at the two ingredients before they are mixed.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 16:49

I wish I had asked before I used the super glue. How much heat Roger and how best to apply?
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby RogerS » 24 Apr 2018, 17:08

Andyp wrote:I wish I had asked before I used the super glue. How much heat Roger and how best to apply?


I have a halogen bench light that I use. Any strong light, really. Keep it about 6 inches plus away and try ten minutes first of all. You can see if it is runny enough as the bottles are opaque.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby selectortone » 24 Apr 2018, 18:09

I've had a lot of success with superglue in similar situations. For a big split I'd use epoxy and wood dust but for small splits like these superglue, bulked up with wood dust if necessary, has almost always been fine. The wizened old guys at my club who have been doing this for many years swear by superglue for small splits. If you're concerned, take it off the lathe and take it indoors for a few days.

p.s., if you're filling gaps with superglue and wood dust wear gloves otherwise the fingerprint detector on your phone won't work for a few days :mrgreen:
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Dalboy » 24 Apr 2018, 18:52

Drill a round hole over the bottom of the split and make a round plug to fit into it then repeat this right up to the rim using different coloured plugs then trim the last one flush with the rim. I have seen this done with great effect
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 19:25

selectortone wrote:I've had a lot of success with superglue in similar situations. For a big split I'd use epoxy and wood dust but for small splits like these superglue, bulked up with wood dust if necessary, has almost always been fine. The wizened old guys at my club who have been doing this for many years swear by superglue for small splits. If you're concerned, take it off the lathe and take it indoors for a few days.

p.s., if you're filling gaps with superglue and wood dust wear gloves otherwise the fingerprint detector on your phone won't work for a few days :mrgreen:


Thanks Terry. I like the idea of using decoration to hide the splits so I am going to try Derek’s suggestion.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 19:27

Dalboy wrote:Drill a round hole over the bottom of the split and make a round plug to fit into it then repeat this right up to the rim using different coloured plugs then trim the last one flush with the rim. I have seen this done with great effect


Thanks Derek, I like the sound of that and will give it a go. I found this vid to help me

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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Dalboy » 24 Apr 2018, 19:31

That's the idea Andy I could not think who it was that I saw do it. it also makes a feature of it
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 24 Apr 2018, 21:25

As the rim of the bowl is not too thick and the split not too wide I hope my tapered plug cutter will make life easier. Last time I drilled holes in a bowl for decoration I positioned the bench drill over the lathe. I will try and do the same again.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Robert » 24 Apr 2018, 22:19

Sounds like you have a solution.

Just to add an option for another time I've used glass fibre resin to fill cracks quite successfully. It is very thin and sets hard and behaves like a glue. I filled some oak splits in my garden table and they have held up fine. There is also some on the indoor furniture I made a few years back though you'd never spot it.

Obviously it needs tape underneath to stop it running out of the crack.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 25 Apr 2018, 06:22

Robert, do you mean this sort off stuff

http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints ... esin-500ml

My front gate needs some TLC as the Wests stuff I used to fill a crack a few years back has failed.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Robert » 25 Apr 2018, 09:37

Yes. Unused it lasts a few years before it starts to go hard in the tin. The hardener doesn't seem to go off.

It is pretty runny so your gate crack will need to be horizontal to fill.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 25 Apr 2018, 09:58

It is right on the top Robert.
This was before I filled it with Wests epoxy. The split has opened up again since then.

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As for the bowl:-
Managed to cut some plugs and rig the bench drill over the lathe.

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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby RogerS » 25 Apr 2018, 10:04

You are on a hiding to nothing if you expect any sort of glue or resin to fill a gap and also stop the gap from widening again as the wood moves, I'm afraid.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 25 Apr 2018, 10:19

I know Rog and you told me that when I first posted about the split on the gate. The right thing to do I guess is to cut a chunk out of that top rail and replace it.
I might still give it a try though until I can steel myself to take a saw it.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby RogerS » 25 Apr 2018, 12:22

Andyp wrote:I know Rog and you told me that when I first posted about the split on the gate. The right thing to do I guess is to cut a chunk out of that top rail and replace it.
I might still give it a try though until I can steel myself to take a saw it.



Drill through the gate, hardwood dowels and epoxy ?
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Apr 2018, 11:05

Dalboy wrote:That's the idea Andy I could not think who it was that I saw do it. it also makes a feature of it

I quite like that overlapping dowel idea but drilling the holes looks to be a bit of a bugger, good result in the end though - Rob
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 30 Apr 2018, 11:38

Thanks Bob, I drilled a few holes and glued in the plugs last week then had to take a few days off. Will get back to it later this week and see how it worked.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Dalboy » 30 Apr 2018, 16:20

Looking forward to seeing the end result Andy

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Dalboy wrote:That's the idea Andy I could not think who it was that I saw do it. it also makes a feature of it

I quite like that overlapping dowel idea but drilling the holes looks to be a bit of a bugger, good result in the end though - Rob


You would need to have some sort of backing to help prevent tear out.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 30 Apr 2018, 18:38

Dalboy wrote:Looking forward to seeing the end result Andy

Woodbloke wrote:
Dalboy wrote:That's the idea Andy I could not think who it was that I saw do it. it also makes a feature of it

I quite like that overlapping dowel idea but drilling the holes looks to be a bit of a bugger, good result in the end though - Rob


You would need to have some sort of backing to help prevent tear out.


I held a curved bit of wood inside the bowl and went very slowly. Also the width of the sides is still quite generous so I will turn off any tear out if there is any.

Been pi$$ing down with rain all day here. Hope to get out there and have a look tomorrow.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Dalboy » 30 Apr 2018, 22:33

Andyp wrote:
Been pi$$ing down with rain all day here. Hope to get out there and have a look tomorrow.


Same here none stop all day, had a club member around and went through some decorating methods including using a spiraling and texturing tool.
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Re: What would you do with this?

Postby Andyp » 01 May 2018, 17:20

Using a 10mm drill with a 10mm Veritas tapered plug cutter was not such a great idea as the ones closest to the rim have caused a bulge. Not really a problem as I was always going to reduce the height of the rim. I used a 10.5mm drill for the last plug (the middle one in the group of three).

I also think I should have stuck with the lighter coloured plugs, sycamore I think. The middle one is cherry and the other apple.

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