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Hully's Workshop Build - Summer Progress

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing almost complete

Postby 9fingers » 10 Jan 2017, 14:28

I suppose that membrane for roofing does not need to be so strong as that designed for walls as the latter has to support its own weight completely but realistically, for a single storey structure and careful owner-builder use, I cant image there would be a problem.

Mike might know chapter and verse on the subject?

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing almost complete

Postby Hully » 16 Jan 2017, 15:28

9fingers wrote:I suppose that membrane for roofing does not need to be so strong as that designed for walls as the latter has to support its own weight completely but realistically, for a single storey structure and careful owner-builder use, I cant image there would be a problem.

Mike might know chapter and verse on the subject?

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Thanks for the response Bob.

Both Dan and Mike seem to use the same membrane for both roof and walls so perhaps I'll PM them to check and see what their view on it is.

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing almost complete

Postby Hully » 24 Jan 2017, 14:45

Framing is finished!!!...kinda, still need to do the blocking but that doesn't count :D This is how we're looking so far. Ignore the overly long roof joist on the end, it needs to be cut to length.

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Pretty happy with it so far, so now onto wrapping the walls in membrane and putting up the battens and trim pieces ready for the cladding which is my next major job.

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Jan 2017, 15:13

Coming along nicely!
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Dan0741 » 24 Jan 2017, 20:33

Hully great work matey. Just a couple of pointers that helped me, and might help you. I faffed about with the window and door trim and should have done what you are doing, ie install at framing stage. However what i would say is that i have moved mine a couple of times for various reasons, door install, cladding etc. On this basis it might be worth screwing and not gluing so you can move them in or out depth wise dependent on other variables before final positioning.

Also bear in mind that the framing you have just finished is the skeleton for the whole structure. I had to install extra framing retrospectively so that I could end up with the cladding fixings in the places I wanted. This applies to both internal and external cladding. One of the bits I missed, and was pointed out by a helpful Terry was the fact that when framing a corner one needs an upright on both aspects that one can screw/nail into. Also if you can help it moving the fixings of your cladding further than 100mm from the cladding ends if you are using timber will be helpful.

I have also retrospectively installed a fireplace in mine, and therefore needed to alter some of the framing to accommodate the hearth etc. It would have been much, much easier to have done this at the time I framed rather than afterwards. Im currently doing the internal cladding, and vapour barrier etc, and had I spent some time thinking all this through first it would have saved me considerable amounts of time.

Im a bit jealous in honesty, I loved the framing stage :mrgreen:

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Hully » 25 Jan 2017, 09:28

Thanks Gents

Dan - thanks for the advice mate, always gratefully received.

Totally agree on the use of screws/removable fixings for the trim. I had to get the reciprocating saw out a few times to cut through the ring shank nails I was using for the framing so learnt the hard way. I'll use screws wherever possible now that the structure is up and strength isn't the primary concern.

I'd had that thought about additional timbers for fixing trim, cladding etc so I've added in extra noggins in the corners (which you can see in the picture above) to fix the battens, corner boards and internal OSB sheathing. They're on 400mm centres so should provide enough support to stop any flexing in whatever I attach to them.

Not sure I'll be able to nail the cladding 100mm in from the edges but I'd planned on pre-drilling like you did so presumably nailing closer to the edge won't be a problem?

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Hully » 25 Jan 2017, 09:48

Just thinking about what I wrote above and it's just dawned on me that the extra noggins will be OK for the corner boards and OSB sheathing but they wont be for the battens as the cladding nails will need to bite into more than just the 20/25mm batten. They need to go through the batten into a stud...

Once the corner boards are up I'll need to work out where the batten nearest the corner will go and then retrospectively add in some additional supports for them...while avoiding tearing the membrane.

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Tusses » 25 Jan 2017, 12:37

My fav part of any build is the stick framing !
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing almost complete

Postby Andyp » 25 Jan 2017, 12:44

Hully wrote:Framing is finished!!!...kinda, still need to do the blocking but that doesn't count :D This is how we're looking so far. Ignore the overly long roof joist on the end, it needs to be cut to length.

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Pretty happy with it so far, so now onto wrapping the walls in membrane and putting up the battens and trim pieces ready for the cladding which is my next major job.

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Hully, I think you may have either moved or deleted this image on photobucket.
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Hully » 26 Jan 2017, 09:55

Thanks Andy. I was organising my photos into folders...oops.

I've re-imported the latest photo, new photos will be linked properly.

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Andyp » 26 Jan 2017, 12:33

OK Mate,
do you realise that all the earlier photos on the earlier posts have gone the same way?

great progress BTW. You should be right pleased with yourself.
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Andyp » 26 Jan 2017, 17:54

Off topic posts relating to organising images on hosting sites moved to Woodmanglers Retreat
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Hully » 26 Feb 2017, 17:41

Hi All

Its been a few weeks since I updated the thread so apologies for the radio silence. A combination of socialising and bad weather has slowed progress but I've managed to push on a bit.

The membrane is now up despite Doris' best attempts at ripping it off while I was at work on Thursday. I've also attached the insect mesh and battens on 3 of the walls. I think I've got another two weekends of putting up battens and trim before I'll be ready for cladding.

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I'm a bit worried about the battens so hoping for some opinions. I resawed the battens out of some old PT 45x45mm I had from my previous workshop. Its just struck me that the core of that timber might not have been treated and now that I've exposed that wood by resawing it i'm worried it might be more prone to rotting. I read that the treatment soaks in around 5cm so if thats true I should be OK. I've also checked the new face and it looks treated (roughly the same colour as the rest of the wood) but what does everyone think?

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Membrane and battens

Postby 9fingers » 26 Feb 2017, 18:21

If you are concerned about the cut faces of the treated timber there is some stuff you can get to paint on the cuts (usually endgrain). I think toolsatan stock it.

For some reason it has particularly short shelf life (ironic for a preservative :lol: ) so check the date code if you buy some.

toolsatan code 32693

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Framing Done!!

Postby Mike G » 26 Feb 2017, 21:01

Hully wrote:......I read that the treatment soaks in around 5cm........


Five mm, you mean. Absolutely no way it penetrates anything like 50mm. I should invest in some "jollop" (you can even pick it up at B&Q, Homebase or the like), and slap it around. Whilst you've got the brush wet, do your rafter feet.
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Membrane and battens

Postby Dan0741 » 26 Feb 2017, 23:07

Looking Good Hully. Glad Doris wasn't too rough with you.... :D
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Membrane and battens

Postby Hully » 27 Feb 2017, 08:55

Thanks for the advice gents. I have a Toolstation near me so will pick up some of the Ensele stuff this week.

I've fitted pretty much all the battens so the newly cut face is tight up against the workshop. Do you think I need to take them off and paint that new face with the treatment? My thinking was that they're highly unlikely to get wet if they're orientated that way (probably just get moist when the air is damp). The sides that face out are the treated surfaces so they should be OK. So I was mostly worried where the new face was exposed to the front...as well as the end grain where they've been cut to length.

I suppose I should probably take the time and take them all off and treat the new face even if it butts up against the building. That'll take me another weekend behind schedule but at least it'll be done right.
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Membrane and battens

Postby Hully » 27 Feb 2017, 09:01

Dan0741 wrote:Looking Good Hully. Glad Doris wasn't too rough with you.... :D


:lol: cheers Dan
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Membrane and battens

Postby Hully » 21 Mar 2017, 13:03

Spring is in the air...and with it comes progress, I'm now ready to clad!! :eusa-dance:

Corner boards, gable boards and door & window trim is up, blocking is in, additional structural framing has been added to stiffen up the ceiling joists and I've applied preservative to all the cut faces of the battens. I've also turned all the cut faces around so they face outward, my thinking being that the air gap should help dry them out quicker leaving the factory preserved side to sit against the membrane.

I’ve attached a couple of photos though there isn’t a huge amount of visible progress to show for all those man-hours!!

The cladding (200mm wide feather edge Larch) has been ordered but won’t be arriving this week so I'll have time over the weekend to attach the shims at the bottom of the battens and bend up the insect mesh and attach it to the shims.

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby 9fingers » 21 Mar 2017, 13:08

Looking good! Always nicer to be working in the spring sunshine eh?

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Mar 2017, 14:34

Coming along nicely!
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby Mike G » 21 Mar 2017, 18:11

Each to their own, but I'd be getting the membrane on the roof ASAP as a priority over boarding the outside of the walls. You'll be amazed at how much more convenient a big dry covered space is.
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby Jimmy Mack » 21 Mar 2017, 20:05

Mike G wrote:Each to their own, but I'd be getting the membrane on the roof ASAP as a priority over boarding the outside of the walls. You'll be amazed at how much more convenient a big dry covered space is.


He's right ya know...get up to a membrane on the roof, and chill with some cladding....you can tile it in 2028...ain't that right mike? :eusa-whistle:

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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby Dan0741 » 21 Mar 2017, 21:56

Looking good Hully. I did it in the same order as you and placed a Tarp over the roof to provide the dry area within which to work. I found it a lot of faffing about and would follow the roof first method if I went at it again. Whichever way you do it you are making sterling progress, and you will soon be sweating instead of stamping your feet with the cold! :D
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Re: Hully's Workshop Build - Ready to Clad

Postby Mike G » 21 Mar 2017, 23:00

Jimmy Mack wrote:.......He's right ya know...get up to a membrane on the roof, and chill with some cladding....you can tile it in 2028...ain't that right mike? :eusa-whistle:


:lol: :eusa-whistle:

If the house wasn't in the state it's in, then the workshop would be finished. I'll have to slate it this summer: to put a third membrane on the roof would be.............erm..............embarrassing.
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