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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 22 Jul 2017, 08:51

Thanks Markus - diamond! 8-)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 22 Jul 2017, 08:58

Sorry to be a pain, but I've posted up some new images on the first two pages of this thread in place of the lost images. I can see them, but can any of you chaps see them?

I'm off to the work now and hopefully, if you can see them and they're still on here by tonight, all is hopefully good.

The new images are direct from my website.

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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Jul 2017, 09:09

Yes I can see reinstated photos of timber stock and panelling on page 2.
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby TrimTheKing » 22 Jul 2017, 09:10

Yep I can see lots of pics now. The only one I can't see is the one Bob has quoted as it still points to the old link, but we Mods can fix that.

Glad you've got it sorted.

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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 23 Jul 2017, 07:42

9fingers wrote:Yes I can see reinstated photos of timber stock and panelling on page 2.
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 23 Jul 2017, 07:46

TrimTheKing wrote:Yep I can see lots of pics now. The only one I can't see is the one Bob has quoted as it still points to the old link, but we Mods can fix that.

Glad you've got it sorted.

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Cheers Mark. Hmmm, unless it's one I've missed out altogether - there are a couple I haven't deliberately posted up. I seem to be a bit of a heavy poster with pics in threads - a bit OTT maybe. 8-)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Andyp » 23 Jul 2017, 11:58

Cant have too much of a good thing Paul :)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 23 Jul 2017, 18:45

Andyp wrote:Cant have too much of a good thing Paul :)


Indeed... 8-)

It's Mrs P who thinks I'm a bit OTT. :P

I keep telling her... "it's not OTT, it's OCD." :lol:
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby TrimTheKing » 24 Jul 2017, 00:23

Sorry Paul, what I meant was there's still one that shows the Photobucket message and that's the one Bob's quoted.

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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 24 Jul 2017, 08:02

TrimTheKing wrote:Sorry Paul, what I meant was there's still one that shows the Photobucket message and that's the one Bob's quoted.

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Oh right... I think Bob was referring to one of the two pictures showing the timber arrival on the workbench. Is it one of these you mean?

I see some images where other chaps have quoted still show the PB link on page 2, but, I can also see one of Kirk's is now displayed - a quote from my original intro on page 1 where he included the actual project design image. I was going to ask about what happens to these images which other chaps have used in a quote? I assumed they would stay as the PB link.

I have to keep checking our ipad as a separate device from the PC, just to confirm the images are still showing. I'm learning, but I know I'm quite a way off from IT employment. What's that I hear you say... "Don't give up the day job just yet Pinch!" :lol:
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby 9fingers » 24 Jul 2017, 08:23

Paul. Yes I was referring to the timber arrival pictures.
Last night I tried to fix the post that had quoted your former pb photos
I managed one as it quite clear what the picture was but the others I could not be sure precisely which pictures Kirk was quoting and did not want to get it wrong.
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 24 Jul 2017, 08:53

9fingers wrote:Paul. Yes I was referring to the timber arrival pictures.
Last night I tried to fix the post that had quoted your former pb photos
I managed one as it quite clear what the picture was but the others I could not be sure precisely which pictures Kirk was quoting and did not want to get it wrong.
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Ah thanks matey! Yep, I can imagine it's a very challenging task. I've had to go through my file on the PC and bring some images in from other files (Athelhampton House File for example) which I've used on this thread and then rename all the images numerically from the last image back to the first, so they're in the same order as the complete thread so far - that's #221 back to #1. I've then opened up a new page on the website and uploaded all these images into 12 photo gallery categories so far (numerically referenced), and then ensured they're in the same order as the PC file. Doing this should make the reinstatement of the images less confusing. I expect there are easier ways in doing this, but at least this way is now clear in my head. 8-)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 25 Jul 2017, 20:37

By Golly - an actual update! 8-) :eusa-whistle: :eusa-clap: :eusa-drool: :eusa-dance:

I hope you have a cup of tea with a digestive biscuit to hand - this is a long one...

Since the beginning of "The Great IHM of 2017" (Image Hosting Meltdown), I've been trying to establish an alternative; one of which was going to be with my current website provider. But, after many phone calls to various trying very hard non English but yes English speaking Support Team members scattered around the world, I was eventually put through to a young Englishman called Vladigov based in England who spoke very clearly and at a jolly fine tempo.....NOT. :x

I am now using my website as a direct hit onto the forum. It took a bit of setting up and getting used to, but now (fingers crossed) all is good this time.

The bench is almost finished and I'm extremely pleased with the outcome so far although it did present a few challenges during the making. My last posting on the work was a brief YouTube slide film of the plaque. Here's the story...

I started to work from a picture my clients sent to me and I misunderstood the whole concept of what they wanted. I somehow got something quite different fixed into my mind and I began preparing the oak for the plaque, thinking I will carve this from one piece. The penny then dropped. It was staring me in the face all the time. I was now on a plan to create a plaque with a minor hint of resemblance to a bowl - like the picture. :eusa-doh:

So... a completely different approach was now needed. I would now create this plaque using three separate layers of oak. I wanted to get very close to the picture provided excluding the peripheral feature and I did have reservations with forming a lipped edge on the actual letters. I had two attempts - 1st; I lost a corner and 2nd; I thought I'd form a small chamfer along the edges instead, but it wasn't satisfactory. So, I thought, lets do this without the lipped edge or a chamfer and create a crisp squared edge instead. Also not forgetting, I was working with a much smaller version to that of the picture, which I would estimate is around 800mm diameter and in marble, where this plaque (the letters) is 150mm diameter and in oak. Not that I'm trying to find excuses or anything! :lol:

This is what I did...

A piece of 9mm scrap ply with a circle drawn on it ready to cut and use as a router template to form the top layer of the plaque.
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Now secured to the oak and ready for the router...
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As thus...
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This is now the top layer of the plaque and the piece below the top is the bottom layer...
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Using these router bits, I then formed a deep chamfer to echo the trefoils and an additional small quirk.
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Using another scrap piece of ply, I made another template to form a well in the bottom layer which is where the letters are to be located.
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The middle layer is the actual initials of the plaque. Here it is marked out for cutting...
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And here is where the letters are to firmly sit into the well of the bottom layer.
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With all of this work done and after a few dry assemblies with a bit of minor adjusting here n there, we were now ready for glue assembly.
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The following day, I removed the clamps. I always get a thrill when removing clamps from glue assemblies.
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After establishing the final external diameter of the plaque, I marked and cut close to the line using the good old faithful chop saw.
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Finally, after cleaning up the outer face with spokeshaves and block plane, I formed a heavy chamfer around the outer edge and the plaque was ready for show.
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The next stage was to start the panelling so this lovely plaque can be framed.

I firstly formed the groove through all the timbers which will later house the actual panels and then set out all of the panelling framework on the bench ready to mark up.
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The doors...
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Once everything was marked, I roughed out the mortices with the router.
This is one door...
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After the router, it was hand tools rest of the way; firstly finishing off the mortices using a chisel and mallet.
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I continued this task for all 36 mortices.

Right hand stile.
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Top rail.
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I then moved onto the tenons which I made using the tenon saw, chisel & mallet. Unconventionally, I cut the shoulder line first and then chiselled out the cheeks down to the tenon. I'm in the middle of making a short film demonstrating this, which I'll upload onto YouTube soon.

Here are the doors in dry assembly.
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The tapered muntin engaged to the top rail - albeit upside down.
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The stiles are tenoned into the top rail (I have my reasons why) and as the top rail has curvature, I firstly cut the shoulder perpendicularly across the cheek at its highest point and offered it into the top rail, squared it off the bench and marked for the actual shoulder line.
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Front facing...
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Rear facing...
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After all the M&T's were done, I trial fitted the framework.
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While it was so, I marked up for the stopped chamfers, the pin holes and the crucifix of the plaque.
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I couldn't M&T the crucifix into the plaque due to not enough room, so the complete end section of each part was housed into the outer edge of the plaque using chisels and mallet. I did have a slight niggle of a doubt regarding it's strength with years of sitters leaning back onto the panelling, with only one external option I could think up - for possible but most likely, unlikely future issues. As it happens, the panelling is now glued up, cleaned up, and dry assembled onto the back of the bench, and now, I have no doubts about any future issues with this crucifix junction - it's all interconnected and is totally sound.
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With all the joints good and the chamfers formed, I got on with preparing for the draw bores... I ripped down some walnut for the pins by hand and heavily removed the arris ready for cutting to short pins.
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I made a few spare ones - just in case.
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This old metal bar is a wooden floor laying tool (something I bought a few year ago to fit a wooden floor to our old living room) and it's the ideal candidate with a good thickness for hammering rough shaped wooden pins through a hole which will disperse from the other side as a neatly formed regular pin. I drilled a 6mm hole through the bar, clamped the bar to a stool and hammered all the rough cuts through the hole, landing into a bucket below - well, 30% landed in the bucket while the rest of them flew around here n there.
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Finishing off with a nail punch - get through there you little blighter.
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And here they are, ready and excited to get going into their holes...
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With the 6mm flat bit set up in the pillar drill, I bored all the holes throughout the framework.
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A quick test...
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One of the doors.
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To mark the centre of the hole onto the tenon, I used a 6mm wood bit and gently pressed it into the tenon. After separating the joint, I then drilled the hole through the tenon very slightly closer to the shoulder.
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All components now ready for glue up.
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Here, you can see I've tapered one end of the pin. On glue up, I made sure the taper of the pin was facing away from the shoulder of the tenon and then gently tapped it through the hole.
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And both doors in glue assembly.
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And finally cleaned up ready for fitting.
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I'm going to stop this post here as it's rather long already. I'm not sure if it will fit on one page - I guess I'm about to find out. :P

I'll be back!

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PS: Glad to be posting piccies again! 8-)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Mike G » 25 Jul 2017, 20:55

Pinch wrote:.......I then moved onto the tenons which I made using the tenon saw, chisel & mallet. Unconventionally, I cut the shoulder line first and then chiselled out the cheeks down to the tenon.......


Is that unconventional? That's what I do, unless there is some really gnarly grain or a knot. Big tenons in green oak take half the time doing it that way.

Lovely stuff, Paul. Nice to see some progress here. That plaque looks great, although, if I may, the letters look a bit too clean-cut. Couldn't you make them look a little more hand-made somehow?
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Malc2098 » 25 Jul 2017, 21:58

Fascinating to see the process and progress to us amateurs.

Really nice work, Paul.
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Rod » 25 Jul 2017, 22:30

Lovely work

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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 26 Jul 2017, 08:04

Mike G wrote:
Pinch wrote:.......I then moved onto the tenons which I made using the tenon saw, chisel & mallet. Unconventionally, I cut the shoulder line first and then chiselled out the cheeks down to the tenon.......


Is that unconventional? That's what I do, unless there is some really gnarly grain or a knot. Big tenons in green oak take half the time doing it that way.

Lovely stuff, Paul. Nice to see some progress here. That plaque looks great, although, if I may, the letters look a bit too clean-cut. Couldn't you make them look a little more hand-made somehow?


Thanks Mike 8-) Ah yes, I meant for general M&T in joinery & cabinetry, like a door or normal framework. The conventional way to tackle M&T's in green oak construction is certainly as you're doing - shoulder cut and chisel/mallet out the cheek - like a housing. The conventional way in a traditional door construction for example is mark everything up, chop the mortices, cut the actual tenons down to the shoulder line, machine whatever profiles, rebates etc, then remove the tenon cheeks by cutting across the shoulder line down to the tenon - might be some scribe work as well. I only did the above unconventionally because I formed the groove before anything else.

Interesting point about the letters in the plaque. I was leaning towards a small chamfer with trial #2, but I wasn't happy with it - it looked too casual. Ideally, I wanted to form the lip as in the original picture, but trying to do this proved ever so difficult, especially with the entwined feature of the letters; different grain directions & gradients, and then trying to form a 1.5/2mm (x the same deep) parapet lip without losing anything and making it crisp looking - oh boy, extremely tricky. Maybe after several attempts, but I think a close grained dense wood like a fruit wood (lime for example) would certainly be doable for someone like myself. Although I have carved here n there over the years (self taught) with some really nice results, I'm not a specialist in this field. Although I've softened the edges of the lettering with some paper, I suppose a bit more softening might not do any harm... :eusa-think:
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 26 Jul 2017, 08:05

Malc2098 wrote:Fascinating to see the process and progress to us amateurs.

Really nice work, Paul.


Thanks Malc - the grand finale is on its way. 8-)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 26 Jul 2017, 08:05

Rod wrote:Lovely work

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Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby TrimTheKing » 26 Jul 2017, 09:02

Lovely work as ever Pinch.



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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Andyp » 26 Jul 2017, 12:30

Malc2098 wrote:Fascinating to see the process and progress to us amateurs.

Really nice work, Paul.


Certainly confirms quite how amateur I am :)
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Andyp » 26 Jul 2017, 12:34

Gorgeous as always Paul,
the time you have spent sorting out the images, website hosting and the writing up of this thread should be commended as well.
Thanks again for sharing and giving us all an insight into how a real craftsman approaches his craft.

Looking forward to the finale.
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Tusses » 26 Jul 2017, 16:39

looking good Paul

and I just noticed you put a "back to top" button on your web site just for me ! :-) :lol:
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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 26 Jul 2017, 18:38

TrimTheKing wrote:Lovely work as eve Pinch.



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Re: Monk's Bench (or Settle)

Postby Pinch » 26 Jul 2017, 18:42

Andyp wrote:Gorgeous as always Paul,
the time you have spent sorting out the images, website hosting and the writing up of this thread should be commended as well.
Thanks again for sharing and giving us all an insight into how a real craftsman approaches his craft.

Looking forward to the finale.


Thanks Andy - very kinds words and much obliged. Yep, the IHM has been challenging, but the old motto... I'll fight them on the beaches. 8-)

The finale is just around the corner.

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