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Breakfast Table (European Oak)

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 22 Jul 2017, 13:40

Bob, I'm not sure how much bag pressing you've done, but I find if you have an old melamine board in the bag then it's really easy to slip you flat veneer work in. Make sure you knock the arises and corners off everything! ...and test run - which goes without saying I suppose.
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Jul 2017, 13:51

Jimmy Mack wrote:Bob, I'm not sure how much bag pressing you've done, but I find if you have an old melamine board in the bag then it's really easy to slip you flat veneer work in. Make sure you knock the arises and corners off everything! ...and test run - which goes without saying I suppose.
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Complete bag virgin here Jim :shock:
So thanks for the tips.
Is the Alansons UF (MUF?) available in DIY quantities? With my work rate its shelf life could be less than some of my project durations :lol:

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PS I was only joshing about the lack of springback reply and more than happy to help with matters electrical.
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 22 Jul 2017, 14:28

9fingers wrote:
Jimmy Mack wrote:Bob, I'm not sure how much bag pressing you've done, but I find if you have an old melamine board in the bag then it's really easy to slip you flat veneer work in. Make sure you knock the arises and corners off everything! ...and test run - which goes without saying I suppose.
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Complete bag virgin here Jim :shock:
So thanks for the tips.
Is the Alansons UF (MUF?) available in DIY quantities? With my work rate its shelf life could be less than some of my project durations :lol:

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PS I was only joshing about the lack of springback reply and more than happy to help with matters electrical.


Phew...! :eusa-dance:

The Allisons, like most UF glues (cascamite etc.) has a shelf life of about 3-6 months...though mine I bought back in January. It's sold direct from Alansons only (I think) who are excellent to deal with, and the instructions pack is detailed.

I think the minimum order is a 5Ltr/ gallon of the adhesive (liquid form). I also purchased a 1kg tub of hardener and a 1kg tub or extender (a thickener for use with porous or hole'y veneers like cats paw or burls- I've yet to use it). I think these powders have a longer shelf life than the adhesive itself, and I believe the adhesive starts to get a bit more viscous and gloupy (according to a fellow maker who does a lot of veneer work with it). Though technical support said it can be thinned by approximate 15% with water if the viscosity goes up.

The initial pack: 1 Gallon of adhesive + 1kg Hardener + 1kg extender (not essential) was approximately £60

It's not cheap, but it's very, very good. And (on a warm day) you can be out of the bag in 2hrs - if you push it.

Do you remember the Walnut desk I veneered? - That used just shy of half a gallon.

I also used it to glue the aprons in the table frame, to help minimise the twist (if possible) ... and I have to say for general joinery it works well but is an absolute PIG to clean up afterwards!

With the flat veneer work I PVA glue and tape my edge joints first...it's a trick I picked up off Robert Ingham, to prevent the dreaded creep which is simple and really well worth doing, especially if you are using a PVA to bond. I think Robert explains it in his book? If you have it or if others can confirm... Rob S would know.

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Jul 2017, 15:11

Thanks Jim,

I'll not be in a tearing hurry to get it out of the bag so maybe I'll try casamite powder which I can buy in more modest quantities I could also use the vac pump to take the air out of the storage container for the unused power which might help its shelf life a bit

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby RogerS » 22 Jul 2017, 16:29

9fingers wrote:Thanks Jim,

I'll not be in a tearing hurry to get it out of the bag so maybe I'll try casamite powder which I can buy in more modest quantities I could also use the vac pump to take the air out of the storage container for the unused power which might help its shelf life a bit

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Wouldn't it suck the powder out ?
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 23 Jul 2017, 09:45

All glued up and finished.

There still a bit of rotary wibble wobble in the top, even with a cruciform, I guess there's not a lot I can do, what with there being so much leverage power in the 900mm dia top. Our little round garden table, about 450mm dia, has a wibble too.

Hmmm... Might have to live with it... tho it unsettles the balance of my 'chi'

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Malc2098 » 23 Jul 2017, 10:52

Tasty!
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Rod » 23 Jul 2017, 11:40

Nice - "no veneer in ere"

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Andyp » 23 Jul 2017, 11:58

Very nice Jim, When you see wibble what do you mean? Does it rock on the on the four feet?
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby RogerM » 23 Jul 2017, 12:05

Rod wrote:Nice - "no veneer in ere"

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:lol: Nice job Jim. If it's wobbling on its feet, you could sink some table levellers into the feet so that it will never wobble, even if the floor is unlevel and your table is perfect! They would be completely invisible.
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 23 Jul 2017, 12:17

RogerM wrote:
Rod wrote:Nice - "no veneer in ere"

Rod

Nice job Jim. If it's wobbling on its feet, you could sink some table levellers into the feet so that it will never wobble, even if the floor is unlevel and your table is perfect! They would be completely invisible.
I've got some fitted Roger, hard to see... the feet are slightly floating.

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby RogerM » 23 Jul 2017, 12:25

See - I said they would be invisible! :lol:
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 23 Jul 2017, 12:26

RogerM wrote:See - I said they would be invisible!


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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 23 Jul 2017, 17:44

Andyp wrote:Very nice Jim, When you see wibble what do you mean? Does it rock on the on the four feet?
It's the table top, it rotates clock to anti clockwise a couple of times if you nudge it. The feet are firmly on the floor on adjustable feet.

I'm going to get the wife to quality control it, as I can get a bit fussy about these things

Maybe I'll do a little video, can you share video via Tapatalk?

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Pinch » 23 Jul 2017, 18:39

Nicely done Jim. Looks an absolute beauty! 8-)
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 11:29

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 11:30

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 12:04

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby RogerM » 24 Jul 2017, 12:09

Interesting. Given that the rotational problem is probably caused by flexing in the central legs, would a cruciform support made in the same oak connecting the legs stop the flexing and therefore resolve the issue?
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby 9fingers » 24 Jul 2017, 12:13

RogerM wrote:Interesting. Given that the rotational problem is probably caused by flexing in the central legs, would a cruciform support made in the same oak connecting the legs stop the flexing and therefore resolve the issue?


Isn't that what he fitted after the first observation of the issue?

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby RogerM » 24 Jul 2017, 12:16

I'm thinking about something deeper Bob. Probably the same depth, and position, as shown in Jim's MK2 trial.
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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 12:19

9fingers wrote:
RogerM wrote:Interesting. Given that the rotational problem is probably caused by flexing in the central legs, would a cruciform support made in the same oak connecting the legs stop the flexing and therefore resolve the issue?


Isn't that what he fitted after the first observation of the issue?

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That's right Bob.


The cruciform didn't do anything... In hindsight, if imagined as an extrusion, you can twist this shape.

I'm playing with some variants..

This is too short...Image

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby 9fingers » 24 Jul 2017, 12:23

Looking at the video, it really does not seem that severe although I've no feel for how much torque you are applying but if that is the deviation for a "reasonable" torque effort I'd not be worrying esp as you said it was a price sensitive job some time back.

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 12:41

Not much torque, enough to spill the Tomato gazpachio if your dining partner is sawing through a steak


Now this is solid...Image

Something inbetween this and my last picture... As that was too small. ... Then make it pretty, though I quite like filling the entire column... In white, maybe not melamine.

Indeed the customer put the squeeze on the price... I'm on a promise for more work (of course). I just couldn't put my name to it as it is... It failed the wife QC too

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Re: Breakfast Table (European Oak)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 24 Jul 2017, 12:43

We're getting there...the problem with furniture making, unless you're John Makepeace... there's no budget or time for prototyping!

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