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wadkin RS

Postby wallace » 07 Jan 2018, 17:59

Its been a whole year since I started a machine so I thought its about time, This one dates from 1936 and is in rough but very complete condition. It has its original compound slide/carriage and even a nice 4 jaw chuck

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One must remember check height restrictions and fluorescent tubes when entering the workshop, they don't half make a pop when hit

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Re: wadkin RS

Postby chataigner » 07 Jan 2018, 18:16

Looking forward to some shiny metal
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Re: wadkin RS

Postby Robert » 08 Jan 2018, 00:20

Looks a bit like the Taylor lathes we used to have for metal spinning. It there a flat belt and some stepped pulleys inside for speed changes?

Ours went on ebay and were bought by wood turners. Made metal reflectors over 1m diameter on wooden chucks on the larger machine. metal spinning by hand is a dead/dying craft now.

Yours is going to be a big wood lathe. Can't wait.
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Postby fiveeyes » 08 Jan 2018, 02:43

Also looking forward to this. Oh, how I would love to have some of your machinery.
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Postby wallace » 08 Jan 2018, 10:10

Yes Robert, it has stepped pulleys, I've always fancied having a go at metal spinning. I nearly bought a set of metal spinning tools at a antique fair. Lovely looking things about 30" long. Too much money though
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Postby Robert » 08 Jan 2018, 12:08

I have had a go at metal spinning and it is a scary business :)

The tools our spinners used were all home made and precious to them. Long handles with a lump of silver steel (for aluminium) or brass (for steel) coming out of the end. Shaped to points or flats. Similar long handle with a lump of Stellite in the end for edge trimming. it was the only HSS material that could cope with the high cutting speeds.
Household bar soap and a touch of engine oil was the lubricant of choice. The smell of soap reminds me of metal spinning sometimes.

I still hear from one of our spinners now and then. He was one of our highest paid employees - now he drives a delivery van. Sad waste of skills.
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Re: wadkin RS

Postby wallace » 08 Jan 2018, 20:36

Let the fun begin

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All of the cloth wiring is rotten but the starter looks to be in great condition.

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Never come across this on an RS before, brass hinges

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There is normally a tapered pin locating the lever but this one had a straight pin which would not budge so I had to drill it out.

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Funny little marks

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I'm always impressed when taking a wadkin to bits, Bolts are just the right torque and come out like this after 82 years

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Never seen 3 grease rings on the spindle before

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This is my tool for getting the nut off the spindle, Its not pretty but works

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Postby wallace » 08 Jan 2018, 20:44

Original colour under the tags

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That wasn't too difficult, I was expecting a fight

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I think this bit might put up a bit resistance

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Postby DaveL » 09 Jan 2018, 00:06

That blue tin in the first two pictures contains the best tool for taking things apart.
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Re: wadkin RS

Postby wallace » 09 Jan 2018, 10:24

That and a big hammer works a treat :D
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Postby wallace » 09 Jan 2018, 18:14

Their are some pretty rusty bits so I got some phosphoric acid.

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This is the tail stock, note the differences to a later one.

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The carriage is in good nick just rusty, funnily the cutter in the holder is a carbide tipped parting tool.

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To get the machine pins out I put a slit with the dremmel and twist with a screwdriver

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The motor put a decent fight up, the end bells are aluminium and the main body cast iron. There was a bit sticking due to dissimilar metals.

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I've never come across a motor in this good a nick inside, it still had chalk writing on the stator. Normally they are crammed with grease.

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Postby Malc2098 » 09 Jan 2018, 18:42

Utter, utter porn!! :D
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Postby 9fingers » 09 Jan 2018, 22:31

Mark, Does that motor smell cooked? Very unusual to see an opaque varnish on windings like that.
Did you check the motor runs before stripping it?

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Postby fiveeyes » 10 Jan 2018, 02:36

That is one hell of a lump of iron!! I do hope that you eat your Wheaties. ;)
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Postby wallace » 10 Jan 2018, 10:45

No bad smells Bob, I didn't check it because the leads are really perished. I've never seen one with this sort of finish on the windings and never seen one that's 82 years old with so little grease, I would normally expect the bells to be filled up. You could tell if this had been apart before, theres a pinned collar that holds the stepped pulley on and it was pristine.
Fiveyes I use a block and tackle as much as possible for lifting nowadays, I've got a calcified shoulder which likes to let me know if lift too much :evil:
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Postby wallace » 10 Jan 2018, 17:56

I have found that using phosphoric acid before cleaning up works really well, I intend to cold blacken some parts after cleaned. It smells horrible, almost like a stink bomb

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Wadkin must of had a good few motors still with Wadkin & Co when they became a limited company.

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Mmm Hofman bearings

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It must of been in the same company whenit got its coat of green paint, I found the same asset number underneath

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I got back together and wired up and it works lovely, a quick lick of zinc primer

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Just realised it might have to come to bits again because I will be fitting a VFD and this motor is not dual voltage, My motor man might be able to fiddle with the leads
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Re: wadkin RS

Postby 9fingers » 10 Jan 2018, 18:06

wallace wrote:
Just realised it might have to come to bits again because I will be fitting a VFD and this motor is not dual voltage, My motor man might be able to fiddle with the leads


Yes. To convert to delta, Connect A1-B2, B1-C2 and C1-A2. 240v 3 phase from an inverter to A2, B2 and C2
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Postby wallace » 10 Jan 2018, 23:01

I notice this motor has 6 leads coming out of the windings, can I alter the voltage like a modern dual voltage motor.

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Postby 9fingers » 10 Jan 2018, 23:14

wallace wrote:I notice this motor has 6 leads coming out of the windings, can I alter the voltage like a modern dual voltage motor.

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Yup. Remove the horizontal strap and add three vertical straps and connect power (240v 3 phase) to each strap.

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Re: wadkin RS

Postby wallace » 11 Jan 2018, 18:29

This is the support for the motor pulleys, as you'd expect Hofman double row self aligning bearings.

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The pulley spent the night in a bucket of solution and came out rust free

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This is it after a while in the cold blackening solution, just spray with wd40 and then boeshield

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The head spindle all cleaned up

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The speed change handle is a week point on the RS, they usually get broken.

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Postby wallace » 11 Jan 2018, 18:36

The carriage and compound tool holder is a tad rusty

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But came to bits pretty easily

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Postby Mike G » 11 Jan 2018, 19:22

Ooooh, the first shiny bits! This looks like it is in pretty good order compared with some you've done.
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Re: wadkin RS

Postby wallace » 12 Jan 2018, 11:36

It is Mike considering its 82 year old. When I removed the tool holder underneath it was bright steel so I think maybe it just sat in the steel shipping container for too long. All of the important bits like the ways have a consistent surface rust with no pitting.
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Postby fiveeyes » 13 Jan 2018, 02:39

Lovin' this..take care of that shoulder Wallace. There are times when a block & tackle would be handy to get my fat butt out of the chair! :lol:
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Postby wallace » 13 Jan 2018, 11:48

Thanks fiveeyes I had surgery on the other shoulder a couple of years ago which fixed it but the recovery takes months so I am keen to hold off. I also need to move my fat but more, I finally brought my bike in that I bought 3 years ago and have not used and got one of those indoor trainer stands.
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