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Garden Arbour/Windbreak, Finished

Postby Andyp » 31 May 2018, 17:08

I thought I should start a proper WIP for this after a few Q&As in the General Woodwork board.

Here is the plan, sadly no CAD here :oops:

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Posts and top rails 70x70mm, Braces 45x70mm, roof boards will be decking boards planed down to remove the ribbing. Trellises 25mm square.

At the back between the two bays will be two standard width fence panels 1.8m wide 1.8m tall like this:-

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I have started by making a template for the braces. This one is 70cm on the longest edge and is too large. I will have to make another at about 40cm. Top edge will remain straight.
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Hope to get a start on the braces this weekend.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Malc2098 » 31 May 2018, 17:55

I'm interested in how the knee braces turn out.

I need to have some for my intersecting roof.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Andyp » 31 May 2018, 18:19

Malc2098 wrote:I'm interested in how the knee braces turn out.

I need to have some for my intersecting roof.


I hope you are not expecting a master class. :)
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Malc2098 » 31 May 2018, 18:22

Andyp wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:I'm interested in how the knee braces turn out.

I need to have some for my intersecting roof.


I hope you are not expecting a master class. :)



:D Nope, an apprentice class like mine will be!
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Rod » 31 May 2018, 21:41

Are you intending this to cast a shadow over your seating area as at 0.6m O/A wide it’s not really wide enough to sit under?

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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Andyp » 01 Jun 2018, 06:00

Rod wrote:Are you intending this to cast a shadow over your seating area as at 0.6m O/A wide it’s not really wide enough to sit under?

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No Rod, this is not for shade just to stop the wind at the west end of the terrace. Perhaps I am confusing the terminology. In my mind an arbour is just a fancy trellis, normally an arch for walking under etc. For casting shade it would be called a pergola as was suggested in my How to Shade a South Facing Terrace thread. The pergola idea was vetoed by the missus as being too large and would take away too much light from the living room. For shade we are staying with parasol and mobile base.

The old one can just be seen to the far left in this photo.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Andyp » 03 Jun 2018, 14:44

In order to get a feel for how many and what size the roof boards need to be I set some offcuts out on the terrace. I have an awful imagination so laying things out like this really helps.

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The boards will have a nicely curved ends not straight as in the 2nd image.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby fiveeyes » 05 Jun 2018, 15:08

Have to agree with your 'visualization thing'. Me too.
Is the spacing going to be that as shown, and will this arbor be on the concrete, or on the turf?
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project

Postby Andyp » 05 Jun 2018, 16:25

Bill,
Terrace to be tilled.....soon. Post supports will go on top of tiles. I had wondered if those post supports could be tiled over. Will discuss with tiler.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project. Nearly started.

Postby Andyp » 04 Apr 2019, 10:41

It is fast approaching a year since I started this thread. :oops:

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Yesterday I bought the 7x7cm x 2.4m timber for the posts, braces and top beams so I have to get started soon. Also the climbing rose I planted in the autumn is growing so fast it will need something to attach too soon.

I was wondering if I could keep the braces the same width as the posts and beams. If I do this then the recess for the mortice will have to be the whole width of the timber. Like this :-
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I see as being a lot quicker and easier for me to achieve but would welcome any thoughts.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby Malc2098 » 04 Apr 2019, 10:59

I see your drawing lets the braces in a short way.

I think I have seen the braces half thickness and let into halving type recesses across the whole width of the post, or even full thickness braces but half let into halving recesses.

I've got to sort something out similar for the knee braces on the intersecting roof to my workshop, so I shall be watching with interest.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby Andyp » 06 Apr 2019, 12:29

Had some help this morning so I thought some 3 dimensional visualisation was required and as I don't do CAD we mocked this up instead.

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There will be another curved top half panel on top and repeated in the space on the right where the posts will be bolted to the wall.

Top beam is actual height but will extend further to left. Which scarf joint to use undecided. Although I think I will position the scarf between the wall and the RH post.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby Malc2098 » 06 Apr 2019, 12:52

Might be my eye, but I think the length of the brace is not quite in proportion and might need to be a bit longer, purely from a visual, not a structural, perspective.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby Andyp » 06 Apr 2019, 13:10

I'll let you tell the missus that she is wrong :)
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby Malc2098 » 06 Apr 2019, 13:29

Andyp wrote:I'll let you tell the missus that she is wrong :)


:lol:

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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, nearly started

Postby 9fingers » 06 Apr 2019, 14:06

Just explain about an enhancement to her excellent ideas. :lol: :lol:

On a similiar structure I think my braces meet the horizontals at 25% along the length.

Also the curved waste part I cut off was glued onto the top edge of the brace to enhance the curved appearance

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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project, braces and scarf

Postby Andyp » 15 Apr 2019, 10:56

8 Braces cut and tenons made. Faces nibbled on the mitre saw and tidied with chisel. Edges freehand on band saw. Curves cut freehand on bandsaw too.
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These were meant to be 2" longer than the template but a slight misjudgement led them to be just 1" longer :oops: She will never notice :)

I also had a go at marking a wedged scarf with horizontal faces:-
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Nibbled on the mitre saw and tidied by hand again. Needs a little fettling but I see no reason why this would not be suitable.
I would like to find a 4m length of suitable timber but have failed so far and even if I found some I would struggle to get it in the car so a scarf of some sort will have to be done.

Next job is to cut the tenons on top of the 6 posts as this can be done before cutting them to final length. Then the really critical stuff will start, the scarfs and getting all the mortices in the right places.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Braces and Scarf

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Apr 2019, 11:06

Nice job!
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Braces and Scarf

Postby RogerM » 15 Apr 2019, 17:36

Looking good Andy. I'm liking that scarf joint!
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Braces and Scarf

Postby Woodbloke » 15 Apr 2019, 17:42

RogerM wrote:Looking good Andy. I'm liking that scarf joint!

Same here Rog, very oriental :D - Rob
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Braces and Scarf

Postby Andyp » 15 Apr 2019, 18:04

RogerM wrote:Looking good Andy. I'm liking that scarf joint!


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RogerM wrote:Looking good Andy. I'm liking that scarf joint!

Same here Rog, very oriental :D - Rob


Thanks. It really is very tight and strong even with those slight gaps. Although getting the wedges the right height so that they fit snuggly bit don't force the joint apart is critical.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Braces and Scarf

Postby Andyp » 26 Apr 2019, 13:08

I laid bits out on the terrace to see where the scarfs would sit. RH post will be screwed to wall.
Due to Roger’s cock-up fairy paying a visit I screwed up the fancy wedged scarf that I tried earlier and chickened out trying to do it again so went with simple laps. These are just glued at the moment but screws or pegs will be added later.
The scarf cock-up meant that the beams will be a little shorter than planned but no big deal. The longer beam is yet to be trimmed.
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BTW nobody noticed that despite having a template I still managed to cut all of the tenons on the braces wrong :oops: so these will need to trimmed before I can mark out the mortices. I do not think that slightly small tenons will cause a problem.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Projects post fixings

Postby Andyp » 09 May 2019, 10:48

These are the fixings I will be using for the 7x7cm posts.
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I know reservations were raised about the possibility of water being trapped at the top of the fixing but budget and availability constraints won out.

In order to keep the posts of the ground and at the same time not having the whole weight of the structure resting on the S/S bolts I cut up some metal chair legs to attach to the posts ends. For some reason that escapes me at the moment I decided to cut these feet rather than the posts to account for the slope of the terrace.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Morticing

Postby Andyp » 16 May 2019, 17:36

After a couple of weeks shifting this:-
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To here:-
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Having first moved what was there to here:-
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Anyway started to mortice today, the posts I could do on the bench with only having to move the morticer once.
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The top beams had to poke through the door.
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Then it was out on the terrace to mark out the mortices for the braces.
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Still have half of them to do and dril the holes for the pegs. So far Roger’s Cock-up fairy only visited once, a mortice on the wrong side of one of the posts. I will show the repair later. It can just be seen on the left of the last image.
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Re: Garden Arbour/Windbreak Project Upsidedown

Postby Andyp » 22 May 2019, 14:54

Looks good upside down.

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The pegs are undersized just to hold things in place while I make sure everything is square and true.
A bit more painting to do, Cuprinol, then reassemble in place, mark holes, drill, glue and bolt.
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