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Mike's ext'n & renovation (sunroom stone floor & plinth)

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2017, 08:18

Still riveting!
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby StevieB » 20 Aug 2017, 09:00

Absolutely beautiful work Mike - that porch is going to look stunning! Bet the side is heavy once together, presume you have help for the lifting ?

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Mike G » 20 Aug 2017, 09:03

No, it goes together in situ in individual pieces. I'll manage this alone.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby ScotlandtheDave » 20 Aug 2017, 09:12

Beautifully detailed work Mike, even on this scale. I've been keeping up to date with progress despite lying low for a while, so it's great to see all your elements coming together so well!
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Pinch » 20 Aug 2017, 09:16

Lovely lovely work Mike! 8-)

It's also good to see you're using a mallet on your chisels and not a claw hammer like some folk do. Some green oak framers use long handled mallets for extra clout - how are you finding the end grain work of the mortices with a wide chisel - 25/32mm?

Beautiful photos too. 8-)

Loving the old stools as well - not many of those beauties around these days. 8-)

I like the way you formed a small shelf in the mitred mortice to establish a good drilling platform - very nice matey.

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Mike G » 20 Aug 2017, 09:41

Pinch wrote:Lovely lovely work Mike! 8-)


Thanks Paul. Aside from furniture making, I can't really have more fun than this!!

.....Loving the old stools as well - not many of those beauties around these days. 8-)


I've had them over 30 years. I've replaced the top a couple of times (due another change soon), and the legs just the once. ;)
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Mike G » 20 Aug 2017, 09:44

Pinch wrote:....how are you finding the end grain work of the mortices with a wide chisel - 25/32mm?...


38mm, and it's a piece of the proverbial. Keeping the chisel sharp helps, but the oak is still relatively green. I can bring off a continuous full width end-grain shaving nearly 3 inches long from inside a mortice. End-grain, mind. That's just not possible in seasoned timber.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Mike G » 20 Aug 2017, 09:46

ScotlandtheDave wrote:Beautifully detailed work Mike, even on this scale. I've been keeping up to date with progress despite lying low for a while, so it's great to see all your elements coming together so well!


Thanks Dave. I thought a few days ago that we hadn't heard from you in a while........
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby ScotlandtheDave » 20 Aug 2017, 09:55

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ScotlandtheDave wrote:Beautifully detailed work Mike, even on this scale. I've been keeping up to date with progress despite lying low for a while, so it's great to see all your elements coming together so well!


Thanks Dave. I thought a few days ago that we hadn't heard from you in a while........


Yes, sadly those who crafted the Wannacry ransom ware have kept me incredibly busy since the end of May, a pretty intense and frenetic time. Hopefully things will calm down a bit now.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Rod » 20 Aug 2017, 10:55

Impressive stuff again

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 3)

Postby Pinch » 20 Aug 2017, 14:49

Mike G wrote:I've had them over 30 years. I've replaced the top a couple of times (due another change soon), and the legs just the once. ;)


I know what you mean Trig... I know what you mean. :lol:
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Mike G » 20 Aug 2017, 20:20

Today's task was to make all the remaining window cills. As I said yesterday, the profile is laborious to make, with 4 circular saw cuts, and numerous passes of the router to achieve the desired shape. I won't bore you too many photos of me planing and sanding wood, or pushing a circular saw along against a fence, but I thought you might like to see my solution to handling small lumps of wood:

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Yep.........a Black & Decker Workmate! It can sit in my workshop unused for 5 years at a time, but every now and then it is invaluable. It's a little nostalgic for me, because my first ever woodworking was done nearly 40 years ago on this very Workmate (in my spare room in a maisonette).

Anyway, this is the shape I was making:

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That's upside down, as I'm sure you realised. This old thing had a lot of work:

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As per the other side, I next cut a tenon on the end of each length of cill, before assembling the frame, offering the cilsl up, and marking the un-made shoulders. I then cut the tenons. I may have said previously that I prefer chiselling tenons to sawing them, so long as the timber is suitable. I make a test cut a long way away from the line to find out if it is going to work or not. This one definitely wasn't going to work with a chisel, so I ended up sawing it:

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The check for fit:

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Put together, square up, and mark up anything that needs altering, plus mark up the peg holes in the tenons:

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Finally, pop it all apart again, drill the tenon holes, clean up pencil marks and the occasional footprint, then stack away inside. That. ladies and gentleman, is a full day of work in the world of oak framing.

Tomorrow I start on the front elevation. It won't be straight-forward.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2017, 21:29

Somebody said I was s-s-smokin'!

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Rod » 21 Aug 2017, 09:19

I see from your drawing you've got leaded lights in the top spaces, what's happening to the lower ones?

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Mike G » 21 Aug 2017, 10:12

They're render panels: lime render.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby 9fingers » 21 Aug 2017, 10:22

My mind was in neutral last night and started think about how long green oak can be regarded as green after which it has becoem hard and is just oak?
Also as I believe there are optimum times for felling trees - when the sap is not rising and ideally has fallen, does this lead to a seasonal availability with suppliers for green oak?

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Andyp » 21 Aug 2017, 10:33

Always a pleasure to read these updates. Will be sad when you've finished.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Mike G » 21 Aug 2017, 12:14

Andyp wrote:Always a pleasure to read these updates. Will be sad when you've finished.


There'll then be a load of furniture to make. :)
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Andyp » 21 Aug 2017, 12:33

Mike G wrote:
Andyp wrote:Always a pleasure to read these updates. Will be sad when you've finished.


There'll then be a load of furniture to make. :)


Oh great so us mere mortals' feelings of inadequacy are sent to continue. :D
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Mike G » 21 Aug 2017, 13:41

9fingers wrote:My mind was in neutral last night and started think about how long green oak can be regarded as green after which it has becoem hard and is just oak?


There is an actual answer to this. I was talking to a partner at Thorogoods Timber last week and he told me that any constructional timber, regardless of its size, is regarded as air dry when it has been stacked for 18 months. However, he also said that responsible mills and suppliers know that is meaningless, and will put timber aside for much longer. Further, lots of green oak is stored in ponds after being felled and prior to being sliced up to prevent the drying process beginning too soon.

Also as I believe there are optimum times for felling trees - when the sap is not rising and ideally has fallen, does this lead to a seasonal availability with suppliers for green oak?

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Apparently not. They fell whenever they can get into the woods, apparently. Again, this is only green constructional timber we're talking about. It may be completely different for graded and seasoned timber.
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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby 9fingers » 21 Aug 2017, 13:47

Thanks for the comprehensive reply Mike.

I'd not considered storing in ponds. Still, it works for bog oak so why not.

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Rod » 21 Aug 2017, 15:10

Bill Carter has some new videos on YouTube of him making his tiny planes from bog oak. He finishes them off with Araldite and linseed oil.

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby the bear » 21 Aug 2017, 18:16

Don't know about a days work mike, looks like a weeks worth in my world

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Mike G » 21 Aug 2017, 20:20

Today was half a day, due to some work, and coming up with a last minute detail which needed a bit of thought. More of that later. I started by picking 3 more pieces of 5x5 off the pile and cleaning them up:

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I picked the best 2 of those, but one of them is quite a way off straight:

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Character! Actually, I really don't mind at all. I'm much more concerned about not having sapwood showing externally. After a lot of faffing about with floor height, plate location, and the relationship between mortises, I managed to get a fair amount of one door post done:

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So, I have a little teaser for you. What is going on here, with two mortises just a few inches apart on the side of the door post? This is my last minute change.

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Re: Mike's extension & renovation (Porch: oak 4)

Postby Pinch » 21 Aug 2017, 20:27

Mike, what type of roof construction are you doing?

A very nice little hammerbeam jobby would look the absolute danglies. 8-)

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