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Malcolm's Workbench (Fitting the vice)

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Malcolm's Workbench (Fitting the vice)

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Mar 2019, 14:11

Yesterday I eventually made contact with the farmer whole also farms timber crops as well as stock.

He took me to the large Dutch barn where much of his milled timer had been stored and I chose 4 x 2m (10"" x 2") lengths of English Ash which he reckoned he felled and milled well over two years ago.
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Blimey, they were heavy getting them off the roof rack.

I'm not doing a large bench and I haven't finished deciding on its design yet, but I decided to rip enough to make the bench top. I'm going for 1m x 0.5m.
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So I halved each length.
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You can see that It sprung quite well coming of the saw. I would like advice as to whether I should leave it in the 'shop for a couple of weeks to acclimatise or to carry on with the milling and gluing for the top.

I also have to mill the legs etc, so should I also let them acclimatise, too, or just crack on and straighten each length straight away?

He's also quoting me for my cutting list for the intersecting roof to the workshop over the deck. It'll be a fir off his farm, Douglas Fir, I think.

I think I got a good deal, and 5 miles away. A local supply at last.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby 9fingers » 21 Mar 2019, 14:28

If he is generally selling to woodworkers rather than a special favour for you, I could add him to the timber suppliers map if you can give me a postcode and business name.

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby 9fingers » 21 Mar 2019, 14:36

The wood has possibly moved all it is going to do due to releasing stresses in the timber by cutting but you have two new faces exposed to the air and so there could be a bit of drying movement to come.

If I get the choice I might leave timber a few days between cutting and planing but then again if I'm in a hurry or don't have a fill in job, I get straight on with the job.

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Mike G » 21 Mar 2019, 14:39

As this is re-sawn, I'd leave it a week or two. You could be getting on with the legs and so on in the meantime.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Woodbloke » 21 Mar 2019, 15:35

Mike G wrote:As this is re-sawn, I'd leave it a week or two. You could be getting on with the legs and so on in the meantime.

Yep :text-+1: Let it do it's own thing - Rob
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby fiveeyes » 22 Mar 2019, 00:34

Agree with Mike and Rob.
I would sticker the stuff, and weight it. Leave it for two weeks, and then take a peek.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby RogerS » 22 Mar 2019, 08:13

A trick that David Charlesworth recommends is to shave a bit off where arrowed and then leave it to settle for a few days. It seems counterintuitive but trust me, it does work !

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Andyp » 22 Mar 2019, 08:49

Malc why have you gone for a laminated top rather than solid core? For example several layers of MDF with perhaps a sacrificial top layer?
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2019, 11:06

Thanks, Gents, for your advice.

Roger, I'll find the bendiest one and give that a try.

Andy, I wanted a traditional-ish type of bench, albeit, small, and I wanted it with mass. I was practising cutting waste with a chisel the other day and the work was virtually bouncing on my temporary bench. I also wanted to use either reclaimed timber or very locally grown timber to try and reduce the carbon footprint, and provide a little income for local businesses. And, and, and...... for much of my fitting out of the 'shop,I've been using man made boards, and I wanted to work with wood.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Mar 2019, 11:10

9fingers wrote:If he is generally selling to woodworkers rather than a special favour for you, I could add him to the timber suppliers map if you can give me a postcode and business name.

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Did you spot this in amongst the thread?

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2019, 11:27

9fingers wrote:
9fingers wrote:If he is generally selling to woodworkers rather than a special favour for you, I could add him to the timber suppliers map if you can give me a postcode and business name.

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Did you spot this in amongst the thread?

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Yes. I've sent a message to him asking if he would like me to add his business name and postcode. I know he has supplied other local woodworkers. His business partner has asked if he can join the forum. As well as working on the farm, he makes garden wood stores etc.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Mar 2019, 11:59

Thanks Malcolm

I've edited out the cash bit - never know who is looking! :D

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2019, 13:23

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Andyp » 22 Mar 2019, 17:19

Malc2098 wrote:Andy, I wanted a traditional-ish type of bench, albeit, small, and I wanted it with mass. I was practising cutting waste with a chisel the other day and the work was virtually bouncing on my temporary bench. I also wanted to use either reclaimed timber or very locally grown timber to try and reduce the carbon footprint, and provide a little income for local businesses. And, and, and...... for much of my fitting out of the 'shop,I've been using man made boards, and I wanted to work with wood.


Can’t argue with that Malc. I am sure you will make a good job of it amd I look forward to watching it progress.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2019, 18:52

Here's me sorting the bowed lengths to try Roger's tip.
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And here's the top of the bow with a bit shaved off like Roger said.
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And if it doesn't work, roger, I'll be up the A1 like a butcher's dog!! :D
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby 9fingers » 22 Mar 2019, 20:41

What is the theory behind that process?

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Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2019, 21:07

9fingers wrote:What is the theory behind that process?

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I've no idea. Like Roger said, It seem counterintuitive. You'll have to ask him!
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Malc2098 » 27 Mar 2019, 21:21

Well, while the strips for the bench top are deciding which way they're going to spring, I started on the leg ends.

First some laminating to make big heavy feet.
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Then the marking out to decide on the shape etc of the feet.

You might, by this time, have sensed that I've not made a drawing for this project.
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Some of you may remember that I bought a S/H mortiser. Some of you said you never used the ones you bought and did your mortices by boring and chiselling. So I had a go.

This shows the practice piece followed by the top rails bored.
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And have you spotted the little holes in the ash. Should I be worried? I've let the supplier know.

It's lovely to work, by the way.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby MY63 » 27 Mar 2019, 21:29

Just in time for me to steal I mean take inspiration from your work :)
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 15:05

All the mortices for the feet and top rails squared up with chisels and elbow grease. (I think I'd rather have used the mortiser!)
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Test piece with the tenon cut with the aid of the tenoning jig.
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Seems to fit OK.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby TrimTheKing » 29 Mar 2019, 15:17

Lovely. If you want to test the fit of the tenon then cover the tenon in pencil and fit it a couple of times, then remove and check the mortice. Pencil should be transferred to the inside of the mortice and you'll get a good view of whether the fit is perfect or needs fettling...
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 15:47

TrimTheKing wrote:Lovely. If you want to test the fit of the tenon then cover the tenon in pencil and fit it a couple of times, then remove and check the mortice. Pencil should be transferred to the inside of the mortice and you'll get a good view of whether the fit is perfect or needs fettling...



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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Andyp » 29 Mar 2019, 16:37

I’d love to see those joints pegged with a contrasting timber.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 16:44

Andyp wrote:I’d love to see those joints pegged with a contrasting timber.



Been thinking about that. Might have to send off for some dark coloured dowell.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 18:34

Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?
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