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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Woodbloke » 29 Mar 2019, 18:46

Malc2098 wrote:Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?


Yep, this place. Fantastic range of sizes and materials...I went there a couple of times when we were visiting No.1 daughter in Carlisle - Rob
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 20:34

Woodbloke wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?


Yep, this place. Fantastic range of sizes and materials...I went there a couple of times when we were visiting No.1 daughter in Carlisle - Rob




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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby 9fingers » 29 Mar 2019, 20:35

Malc2098 wrote:Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?


I've one of those Veritas "pencil sharpener" type dowel makers for 3/8".

I could make you some if you like Malc?

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2019, 20:44

First tenons, yay!

They only needed a little fettling.

I chamfered the four ends of the tenon a little.

I chamfered the four edges of the tenons a little.

I used the block plane, I don't have a shoulder plane, to just remove a hair from the sides of the tenons.

And they went in.

They're not perfect. I've got to improve my marking out process. But the mitre gauge and the tenoning jig got me very close. I've got to get closer still.

But I'm pleased with my first attempt.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby TrimTheKing » 30 Mar 2019, 18:02

9fingers wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?


I've one of those Veritas "pencil sharpener" type dowel makers for 3/8".

I could make you some if you like Malc?

Bob


And I've got loads of scraps of ABW I could send to Bob to make them from if you wanted real contrast...
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 30 Mar 2019, 19:07

TrimTheKing wrote:
9fingers wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Can anyone recommend any good hardwood dowel suppliers?


I've one of those Veritas "pencil sharpener" type dowel makers for 3/8".

I could make you some if you like Malc?

Bob


And I've got loads of scraps of ABW I could send to Bob to make them from if you wanted real contrast...



Sounds like a plan!! I'd like a pair of dwells per joint = 16 plus a couple of spares, I think.

I'm also thinking of wedging the stretchers between these legs so no joints get glued.

How much do I owe to whom?
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 30 Mar 2019, 19:08

And.......I experimented with the tenoning jig. It's micro-adjust is amazing!
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby 9fingers » 30 Mar 2019, 19:26

Sounds like a plan!! I'd like a pair of dowels per joint = 16 plus a couple of spares, I think.

I'm also thinking of wedging the stretchers between these legs so no joints get glued.

How much do I owe to whom?[/quote]

Each length has about 50 mm waste so it is best to make several in each length

So how long do you need them Malc?

Mark. Whatever stock you have I'll need to cut to 11 mm square lengths with 3 mm waste per cut in each axis so when Malc replies you should get some idea of how much timber to send.

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby Malc2098 » 30 Mar 2019, 22:04

I'll get the exact measurements in the morning.

In the meantime............

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices)

Postby 9fingers » 30 Mar 2019, 22:13

Malc2098 wrote:I'll get the exact measurements in the morning.



no need for precision Malc. legs look about 80-100mm to me

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby RogerS » 30 Mar 2019, 22:21

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9fingers wrote:What is the theory behind that process?

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I've no idea. Like Roger said, It seem counterintuitive. You'll have to ask him!


Can't recall..it was in his book. Book location currently unknown. Still in packing box 'N' where which one is 'N' is unknown !

G&S are very good. Mentioned them few times already here. Rob...is she still in Carlisle ?
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Sourcing the timber)

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Mar 2019, 23:37

RogerS wrote: Rob...is she still in Carlisle ?

Yep, still in Carlisle but about to undertake a part-time PhD at the University of York. Glad there's one clever bugger in the family :lol: - Rob
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Mar 2019, 10:40

Morning, Bob.

The feet are 85mm which and the top rails are 60 mm thick.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby 9fingers » 31 Mar 2019, 10:53

Malc2098 wrote:Morning, Bob.

The feet are 85mm which and the top rails are 60 mm thick.



So about 1.5 m should be plenty then?

Over to you mr T

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Mar 2019, 11:24

9fingers wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Morning, Bob.

The feet are 85mm which and the top rails are 60 mm thick.



So about 1.5 m should be plenty then?

Over to you mr T

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85+50=135 x 8= 1080
60+50=110 x 8= 880

1080+880= 1960

round up to 2m?
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby 9fingers » 31 Mar 2019, 11:37

I think you might of misunderstood malc

The 50mm is the waste on the end of a run of dowel
So if I start with 600mm of 11mm sq stock, I'll get 550mm of usable dowel stock

Here are some I made earlier!

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PS Don't forget your will need a 3/8 drill bit as the Veritas jigs are imperial only.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Mar 2019, 11:53

Thanks, Bob.

Yes, I realised I'd need an imperial bit or forstner.

G&S do a 150mm long 3/8" forstner.

I'm struggling to find long imperial drill bits.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby 9fingers » 31 Mar 2019, 12:02

Malc2098 wrote:Thanks, Bob.

Yes, I realised I'd need an imperial bit or forstner.

G&S do a 150mm long 3/8" forstner.

I'm struggling to find long imperial drill bits.



Axi do 3/8" drills - you only need 85 mm plus a bit for the chuck should be within the scope of a standard drill length?

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Mar 2019, 12:06

9fingers wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Thanks, Bob.

Yes, I realised I'd need an imperial bit or forstner.

G&S do a 150mm long 3/8" forstner.

I'm struggling to find long imperial drill bits.



Axi do 3/8" drills - you only need 85 mm plus a bit for the chuck should be within the scope of a standard drill length?

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Phil » 31 Mar 2019, 12:47

Coming along nicely Malc. 8-)
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby Malc2098 » 31 Mar 2019, 13:18

Phil wrote:Coming along nicely Malc. 8-)



Thanks, Phil.
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Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby TrimTheKing » 31 Mar 2019, 20:37

How do these look Bob?

Longest one is 890x27x27, two shorter ones are 800x27x23. Is that enough total length for the job!

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Mortices.....and now Tenons)

Postby 9fingers » 31 Mar 2019, 21:16

The 27 x 27 will yield 4 blanks whereas the 23 dimension of the other pieces limits me to two blanks per piece

So either 1 off 27 x 27 or the 2 off 27 x 23 according to which you would rather keep.

When it comes to posting, the length might attract silly pricing so no problem if you want to cut in half.

Do you still have my address (SO515RS) or shall I pm it to you?

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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Chamfers!)

Postby Malc2098 » 04 Apr 2019, 20:31

The grandchildren have spent a few days with us, so I've been absent from the creative annexe.

But today, inspired by chamfering elsewhere, I went bonkers with chamfers, but because of awkward shapes and sizes, I used the router.
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I think it turned out nice.
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Just before dinner, I finished a couple of stretchers with tenons ready for morticing the legs tomorrow.
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Re: Malcolm's Workbench (Stretchers)

Postby Malc2098 » 05 Apr 2019, 19:51

This time, I decided to use the morticer to make the mortices.

First I had to take it off its height extension, then the legs were too wide for the clamp. So I took the clamp and the back edge off, and double sided taped a board to the table, referenced off the back of the table and was able to clamp the legs on to that.
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These ended up much more consistently squarer than the others I cut in the feet and top rails.

The tenons needed fettling a bit because they are far too long for the blade on the TS with the tenoning jig, although I did start them off on that and finished on the bandsaw, which is where they got a little out of true.

But, in the end they fitted!

Ta da!
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Now I need to decide what sort of wedges to use on the tenons; long thin ones going down through them, or wide fatter ones going in them horizontally? Your views would be appreciated.
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