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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby will1983 » 01 Oct 2019, 16:32

Instead of having another 72 CNC cut could you not use one of the existing ones as a pattern to make another 72 for inside? That would be a fair bit of work but would be a lot cheaper than the CNC route.

The ones inside could have a different profile, maybe just a simple roundover for easy of construction?

If it was me I know that the issues the other guys have mentioned would drive me mad once the structure is finished and would draw my eye every time I looked through one of the windows. Time and few more quid spent now would prevent that.

This is isn't a criticism at all but you've done such a smart job of the rest I think it's a bit of a shame not to finish it off to the same high standard.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby stu » 01 Oct 2019, 18:44

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stu wrote:The only sensible way to do it is to have them both sides of the glass. Will be a mess otherwise.

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A fair point, stu, but that will push up the price too much. I'm just going to have to see how it goes.


Why not do half the windows both sides?

How much were they, relative to the cost of the orangery ?
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 01 Oct 2019, 19:31

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stu wrote:The only sensible way to do it is to have them both sides of the glass. Will be a mess otherwise.

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A fair point, stu, but that will push up the price too much. I'm just going to have to see how it goes.


Why not do half the windows both sides?

How much were they, relative to the cost of the orangery ?


That would be unfair on Chrispy who say how much.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 01 Oct 2019, 19:32

will1983 wrote:Instead of having another 72 CNC cut could you not use one of the existing ones as a pattern to make another 72 for inside? That would be a fair bit of work but would be a lot cheaper than the CNC route.

The ones inside could have a different profile, maybe just a simple roundover for easy of construction?

If it was me I know that the issues the other guys have mentioned would drive me mad once the structure is finished and would draw my eye every time I looked through one of the windows. Time and few more quid spent now would prevent that.

This is isn't a criticism at all but you've done such a smart job of the rest I think it's a bit of a shame not to finish it off to the same high standard.

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Will, when you knew just HOW MUCH work I've still to do here....the thought of making 72 MDF ovals doesn't even feature !
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Coley » 01 Oct 2019, 21:56

Did it take 3 sheets of 8x4? I'm guestimating 300mm x 400mm

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Robert » 01 Oct 2019, 22:24

Make a mask and paint the glass inside with a slightly oversize oval. Then you know where to stick the MDF oval on the outside and no glue showing inside.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby stu » 01 Oct 2019, 22:39

RogerS wrote:
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RogerS wrote:[quote="stu"]The only sensible way to do it is to have them both sides of the glass. Will be a mess otherwise.

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A fair point, stu, but that will push up the price too much. I'm just going to have to see how it goes.


Why not do half the windows both sides?

How much were they, relative to the cost of the orangery ?


That would be unfair on Chrispy who say how much.[/quote]It was a rhetorical question. I cant believe the cost of getting some more done, in the grand scheme of things, is material.

I would suggest either getting some more done, changing your design and going back to back on half the windows only, or scrapping the idea all together.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Jonathan » 02 Oct 2019, 05:22

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CT1 or polymer silicone will work.
Do some research and get one that doesn't yellow.....used one recently that was crystal clear to join glass in a glass fronted hexagonal sauna.

Make sure you get plenty on with no gaps or air pockets.
I would try pushing it on and not attempting any clean up of silicon untill its dry.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 02 Oct 2019, 06:32

stu wrote:
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stu wrote:...
How much were they, relative to the cost of the orangery ?


That would be unfair on Chrispy who say how much.
It was a rhetorical question. I cant believe the cost of getting some more done, in the grand scheme of things, is material.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 02 Oct 2019, 07:45

Jonathan wrote:Rodger
CT1 or polymer silicone will work.
Do some research and get one that doesn't yellow.....used one recently that was crystal clear to join glass in a glass fronted hexagonal sauna.

Make sure you get plenty on with no gaps or air pockets.
I would try pushing it on and not attempting any clean up of silicon untill its dry.

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Thanks Jonathan...that's my take, as well. Do you recall which one you used that was crystal clear ?
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Jonathan » 02 Oct 2019, 15:06

Rodger, I'm not in the shop at the moment but soon as back there I will see if I've still got it.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 02 Oct 2019, 15:23

Jonathan wrote:Rodger, I'm not in the shop at the moment but soon as back there I will see if I've still got it.

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LOL...I'm along way from needing it !
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby stu » 02 Oct 2019, 19:08

RogerS wrote:
stu wrote:
RogerS wrote:[quote="stu"]...
How much were they, relative to the cost of the orangery ?


That would be unfair on Chrispy who say how much.
It was a rhetorical question. I cant believe the cost of getting some more done, in the grand scheme of things, is material.

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Well, that's my call to make. No-one else's.[/quote]Apologies, just trying to help.

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Mike G » 03 Oct 2019, 07:35

Are you planning on gluing it on with the glass flat (horizontal)? Because you'll have quite a bit of fun trying to do it with the glazing already fitted.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 03 Oct 2019, 07:38

Mike G wrote:Are you planning on gluing it on with the glass flat (horizontal)? Because you'll have quite a bit of fun trying to do it with the glazing already fitted.


No, vertically as they're already in. I have tiny alignment tabs on them.

I am reconsidering some of the suggestions by the others and your goodself to stagger them so that they cover inside and out and have some windows un'ovalled. Once they've been painted I'll run the options past the CDO.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Coley » 03 Oct 2019, 15:01

I used some clear stixall to seal some glass on my shed. It went yellow and brittle and has fallen off/out in places. Should have used silicone instead of using up what was left in the gun. As an adhesive it's absolutely awesome, as an exterior sealant, not so much

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Jonathan » 07 Oct 2019, 08:59

Here you go Rodger.Image

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 07 Oct 2019, 12:15

Jonathan wrote:Here you go Rodger.Image

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:text-+1: :text-bravo:

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 18 Oct 2019, 10:27

Somehow I don't think I will be buying any Silkatex anytime soon.

I outsourced the spraying. I looked at a sample of MDF that they'd sprayed before. It was very good. Maybe they nicked it from another company because....

...because when I went to collect mine......the result is "ESS AITCH ONE TEE"

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Pointless complaining. The amount of rework (once the paint has fully hardened) is daunting and simply won't happen. Just too much else to do. No funds available to have them recut and then sprayed by a company that knows what they are doing. Spraying beyond my skill set or inclination.

So I think a visit to the local tip is beckoning.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby SamQ aka Ah! Q! » 18 Oct 2019, 10:38

r u fookin serious?? That is dough, not paint. What I.Q. in single digits thinks that is acceptable? Unbelievable that he/she/it thinks they can get away with it....

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Mike G » 18 Oct 2019, 10:39

I trust you didn't pay for that.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby Jonathan » 18 Oct 2019, 10:49

What the ..........

Gosh feel for you Rodger!

Over here is rural backward spain pretty much every small town has a company that specialises in spraying timber products.....
Also every small town has 1 or 2 companies that specialises in supplying, cutting, edging, board materials, my local also has CNC. Virtually no joinery company cuts or sprays there own boards.....

Seeing your post reminds me of the struggles of living in the highly developed UK.

I hope you didn't pay them!

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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 18 Oct 2019, 10:51

Mike G wrote:I trust you didn't pay for that.


Not much choice. I could have had a hissy fit but then would probably have had to leave without them. Or much chance of getting them.
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 18 Oct 2019, 10:55

The gaffer wasn't there yesterday when I collected them. I emailed him this morning and this is the reply from the company..

After speaking with the lads the report is that the raw material was bitty and could have probably done with being sanded fully to give a smooth surface ready for paint.

No s**t, Sherlock. I would have thought that any company allegedly spraying MDF would be aware that the primer coat needed denibbing.


The only thing I can suggest is if you do go for starting again, we aren't joiners but we will sand smooth prepare, prime and coat each one singularly laying flat face by face rather than hanging on our usual racks. We would of course do this free of charge.


A constructive reply but I would have thought that they'd then run the risk of runs down the sides and pooling. :eusa-think: But I wonder just how long I'd be waiting.


I would also suggest if we were doing this again that a paint colour was used that is available in aerosol as our equipment is over powered to do such small items.


Then why did they do it like that in the first place ?
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Re: Best way to paint these ?

Postby RogerS » 18 Oct 2019, 11:20

Would you guys take them up on their offer to redo ?
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