It is currently 29 Mar 2024, 00:02

Can I shift this without dismantling

Hang up your Chisels and Plane blades and take a load off with a recently turned goblet of your favourite poison, in the lounge of our Gentlemen's (and ladies) Club.

Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 11:37

We need to sort out the concrete on this terrace and have the adjacent terrace re tiled with something more suitable.
This wood shed is in the way. Because of the way it is put together I cannot take it apart without removing the roof. The roof is nailed on and wont come off without ruining it.
Do you think I can jack it up put it on 6 castors and roll it? One problem yet to be solved is how I would get it down the 6 inch step seen under those branches in the 2nd image.

Image

Image

The 3 lower timbers run under the complete length of the shed and are made from an unidentifiable but very hard hardwood. I would of course empty it before moving. This needs to be done ASAP so that I can load it with this winters already air dried fuel.

Thoughts welcome
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Malc2098 » 18 Aug 2017, 12:03

I've bought a couple of these for moving my stuff from the garage to the workshop when it's ready..

https://www.aldi.co.uk/workzone-rectangle-dolly-trolley/p/094753155249801

Lift your store onto it at one end and lift and drag the other end if it's not too heavy.
Malcolm
User avatar
Malc2098
Sequoia
 
Posts: 7209
Joined: 03 Jul 2016, 11:10
Location: Tiverton
Name: Malcolm

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby justaskin » 18 Aug 2017, 12:10

Hi Andy
Looking at the structure most of it appears interlocking. unless you can underpin the lowest beams in places to lift it high enough to get a complete length then centralise it on a wide pallet truck. Another way would be to put the 2 lateral beams with 2 stiff beams front to back and cut up a scaffold pole into say 1 metre lengths place 2 under each beam then as you roll it put another bit of scaffold in front and pull the contraption onto this roller bring the back roller to the front and start again. It worked for the Egyptians so I copied it to move my garden shed 4x2 metre's onto a concrete slab.
Richard
You think its difficult try herding cats
User avatar
justaskin
New Shoots
 
Posts: 180
Joined: 23 Jul 2014, 07:08
Location: Shenley Church End MK(the legion of the lost)
Name: Richard

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 12:23

Malc2098 wrote:I've bought a couple of these for moving my stuff from the garage to the workshop when it's ready..

https://www.aldi.co.uk/workzone-rectangle-dolly-trolley/p/094753155249801

Lift your store onto it at one end and lift and drag the other end if it's not too heavy.


Thanks Malc, Lidl unlikely to have one in the next couple of weeks though.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 12:29

justaskin wrote:Hi Andy
Looking at the structure most of it appears interlocking. unless you can underpin the lowest beams in places to lift it high enough to get a complete length then centralise it on a wide pallet truck. Another way would be to put the 2 lateral beams with 2 stiff beams front to back and cut up a scaffold pole into say 1 metre lengths place 2 under each beam then as you roll it put another bit of scaffold in front and pull the contraption onto this roller bring the back roller to the front and start again. It worked for the Egyptians so I copied it to move my garden shed 4x2 metre's onto a concrete slab.
Richard


Thanks Richard,
A pallet truck would be great but I don't have one, looked at hiring a car trolley jack but too costly. I don't have any scaffold poles and using them it would be impossible to make the tight turn necessary to get it off that terrace.

There are 3 lateral beams. I was reckoning on a castor a foot or so in from each corner and one either side in the middle. Getting it down that step is still a problem though.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Tusses » 18 Aug 2017, 12:40

I've moved an old shed on drain pipes before . just keep taking the back one and putting it in the front.

I've also moved a mates shed , with a shed moving afternoon. enough people to lift and move, with pizza and beer provided :-)

could you cut the roof off , then re attach it ?
Tusses
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1300
Joined: 08 May 2016, 10:48
Location: in the middle of the middle
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Robert » 18 Aug 2017, 12:56

Once you've emptied it of firewood how heavy is it?

it looks as if it would drag easy enough if it was on some wooden sleds. Thick plywood sled shapes screwed to each leg pair and drag it or lever it away...
Robert
Old Oak
 
Posts: 2490
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 19:31
Location: Woodford Green
Name: Robert

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby RogerS » 18 Aug 2017, 12:59

It will depend on the size of your castors. Malc's are way too small IMO for outside use and I'd go for something the size of wheelbarrow tyres...ideally pneumatic ones. That way you should get down the step if you build up a ramp using different bits of timber.
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Mike G » 18 Aug 2017, 13:06

Rollers, not casters. So long as there are continuous bearers underneath, a bit of temporary bracing, and someone to give you a hand, I don't see too much difficulty. You'll need a long lever, and some packing for the step..........and a camera! :)

Putlocks (short scaffold tubes) make great rollers.
User avatar
Mike G
Sequoia
 
Posts: 9834
Joined: 30 Jul 2014, 22:36
Location: Suffolk
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 13:08

Tusses wrote:
could you cut the roof off , then re attach it ?


I had thought of that but feel any reattachment would severly weaken what at the moment is a very rigid structure.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 13:08

Tusses wrote:
could you cut the roof off , then re attach it ?


I had thought of that but feel any reattachment would severly weaken what at the moment is a very rigid structure.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 13:11

Robert wrote:Once you've emptied it of firewood how heavy is it?

it looks as if it would drag easy enough if it was on some wooden sleds. Thick plywood sled shapes screwed to each leg pair and drag it or lever it away...


I wish I knew how much it weighed. All the main structural timbers are a hardwood only the boards on the sides and base and the framework for the roof are softwood. As it is I put the car jack under the left hand end and it lifted it very easily. I wish I could estimate the weight.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 13:23

Mike G wrote:Rollers, not casters. So long as there are continuous bearers underneath, a bit of temporary bracing, and someone to give you a hand, I don't see too much difficulty. You'll need a long lever, and some packing for the step..........and a camera! :)

Putlocks (short scaffold tubes) make great rollers.


Why rollers not casters? Stonger perhaps?

It actually only needs to be pulled forwards, down the step into its new, temporary (probably a year ) location on the terrain boule which means dragging would be a no no.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Tusses » 18 Aug 2017, 13:27

castors get stuck in every little pot hole or bit of gravel.

Thats why I used pipe for mine, once it's on the rollers, it's dead easy to move on your own.
your could put some plank tracks down , in the direction of travel and it will be even easier.
Tusses
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1300
Joined: 08 May 2016, 10:48
Location: in the middle of the middle
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 13:46

Just had a quick look on ebay and others for suitable poles, nothing available locally :(

I might have a go at putting some planks down and see if it will drag. if I leave the planks down under the shed the compacted gravel surface of the terrain boule could be protected :eusa-think:
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby RogerS » 18 Aug 2017, 13:50

Tusses wrote:castors get stuck in every little pot hole or bit of gravel.

...


That's why I recommended large wheels. Wheelbarrows trundle quite nicely over small holes and dips !
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Mike G » 18 Aug 2017, 14:18

I'll have 5p that any attempt with wheels fails, and that you'll succeed with rollers. Roundwood fence posts would do nicely. Putlocks, as I said. Maybe even a thick-walled plastic pipe.
User avatar
Mike G
Sequoia
 
Posts: 9834
Joined: 30 Jul 2014, 22:36
Location: Suffolk
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Rod » 18 Aug 2017, 14:25

Another one for rollers and perhaps a winch to get it back in place.

Rod
User avatar
Rod
Old Oak
 
Posts: 4471
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:34
Location: Winchester, Hampshire
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby RogerS » 18 Aug 2017, 14:53

Farmer with a forklift ?
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 15:26

RogerS wrote:Farmer with a forklift ?


No access for large machinery to the back garden unfortunately
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 15:31

Mike G wrote:I'll have 5p that any attempt with wheels fails, and that you'll succeed with rollers. Roundwood fence posts would do nicely. Putlocks, as I said. Maybe even a thick-walled plastic pipe.


OK OK rollers I will try and find. I have not found a source of Putlocks nor scaffold poles. Fence posts might be easiest to get and I'll have a use for them afterwards.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby RogerS » 18 Aug 2017, 16:00

You're missing the obvious

Image


:lol:
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby old » 18 Aug 2017, 16:10

Can you lift it and support it high enough to do the work then resupport and make good before lowering back into position.
User avatar
old
New Shoots
 
Posts: 101
Joined: 27 Jul 2014, 07:20
Location: Nantwich Cheshire
Name: Chris

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 16:11

Roger, haven't you got an work to do? :)
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: Can I shift this without dismantling

Postby Andyp » 18 Aug 2017, 16:12

old wrote:Can you lift it and support it high enough to do the work then resupport and make good before lowering back into position.


Chris the quotes we have had are for repouring the whole terrace so 'fraid not.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Next

Return to The Woodmangler's Retreat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests