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Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 12:34

Any hints and tips on removing these tiles from this terrace? Any other tools beyond a club hammer and bolster that I need to consider?

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Total area about 55m². As you can see some tiles are badly cracked, broken and loose already but the majority are stuck fast.
A builder is doing the re-levelling and relaying of tiles (not yet chosen but will be thicker and stronger than the existing. He will also be relaying a concrete terrace ( just visible bottom right), building a new wall, and rendering some existing walls. Sometime in the spring.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Rod » 27 Jan 2018, 12:49

An old spade to prise them up or any other tool where you can attack the horizontal joint and lever up like a Mattock.
If those don’t work then a road breaker with a spade head.

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Jimmy Mack » 27 Jan 2018, 13:11

As Rod says, or if you have or can borrow an SDS with hammer only, preferably electric... Use a bolster chisel bit.

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 13:20

Rod wrote:An old spade to prise them up or any other tool where you can attack the horizontal joint and lever up like a Mattock.
If those don’t work then a road breaker with a spade head.

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 13:23

Jimmy Mack wrote:As Rod says, or if you have or can borrow an SDS with hammer only, preferably electric... Use a bolster chisel bit.

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I did have a Ryobi SDS with a chisel, I will try and find it. If it is not man enough I may have to get a breaker as Rod suggested.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Jimmy Mack » 27 Jan 2018, 13:27

Andyp wrote:
Jimmy Mack wrote:As Rod says, or if you have or can borrow an SDS with hammer only, preferably electric... Use a bolster chisel bit.

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I did have a Ryobi SDS with a chisel, I will try and find it. If it is not man enough I may have to get a breaker as Rod suggested.
An SDS or small breaker would be my first port of call.... Mainly for the weight!

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Malc2098 » 27 Jan 2018, 14:40

Depending on the type of cement used, this might work.

https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p36650 ... gLRzfD_BwE
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Woodbloke » 27 Jan 2018, 15:35

One of your best chisels from the 'shop Andy would lift them a treat :eusa-whistle: :D you'd also need a big hammer jobby as well for a bit of clout :D - Rob
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby RogerS » 27 Jan 2018, 15:35

Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?

Regardless of what tool you use, you are letting yourself in for a huge amount of frustration (assuming that they made a good job of cementing them down originally). This is because the tiles will be weaker than the cement mortar, will most likely shear leaving a shallow slope which blends nicely into the remaining mortar which means that you have no point of entry for whatever blade/edge you are using. Regardless of machine.

If you are lucky and the cement mortar has a weak hold on ether tile or whatever is beneath the tile then it will be much easier and you'll probably prise them up with your adze.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 16:01

Malc2098 wrote:Depending on the type of cement used, this might work.

https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p36650 ... gLRzfD_BwE


Thanks Malc,
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 16:02

Woodbloke wrote:One of your best chisels from the 'shop Andy would lift them a treat :eusa-whistle: :D you'd also need a big hammer jobby as well for a bit of clout :D - Rob



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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 16:07

RogerS wrote:Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?


A frayed knot Roger.

There is insufficient room under the door step on the far left for the thickness of tiles I want and besides water puddles against the wall from the middle door all the way to the right hand step.

I have just seen, in the UK, one of these

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby RogerS » 27 Jan 2018, 16:12

Sorry to rain on your parade, Andy, but what I said in my earlier post applies to this machine as well. If those tiles are cemented down well then I can hear the cussing already.

Could you angle grind a small amount from the underside of that far step to give you clearance for a tile-over? Could you not use the tile-over to give a gradient to throw the water in a different direction ?
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 27 Jan 2018, 16:19

Dunno Roger. When we spoke to the builder (which was some months ago now) he was also concerned about the state of the base under the tiles.
Tilling over seems akin to papering over the cracks and might hide an even bigger problem.

And I have just found an ever bigger tool :)
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby RogerS » 27 Jan 2018, 17:54

If the base is loose then you'll be OK as you'll just lever up the cement mortar and a chunk of the base together with the tile. Leave you a bit of making good afterwards especially if large lumps come up with the cement.

But if the cement is on a concrete base and has good adhesion to it then it will be as I said.

If you're lucky then worse case scenario might be this

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby 9fingers » 27 Jan 2018, 18:07

Believe me Roger, having done a site visit, these tiles need to to come up. :lol:

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby RogerS » 27 Jan 2018, 18:33

9fingers wrote:Believe me Roger, having done a site visit, these tiles need to to come up. :lol:

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If they are that manky (or would that be manqué) then Andy shouldn't have any problem.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Woodbloke » 27 Jan 2018, 18:49

Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?


A frayed knot Roger.

There is insufficient room under the door step on the far left for the thickness of tiles I want and besides water puddles against the wall from the middle door all the way to the right hand step.

I have just seen, in the UK, one of these

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If I can hire one here it could be fun.

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Gone fishinf » 27 Jan 2018, 20:22

Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?


A frayed knot Roger.

There is insufficient room under the door step on the far left for the thickness of tiles I want and besides water puddles against the wall from the middle door all the way to the right hand step.

I have just seen, in the UK, one of these

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If I can hire one here it could be fun.



Andy,

I have exactly the same problem, I’m off to my local Aldi tomorrow, they have a large SDS drill with hammer only for 49.99 Euro’s which I hope will last.

I think the tile remover you show is really for wood plastic and vinyl flooring, the blades are not man enough for cement base tiles

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 28 Jan 2018, 09:29

Woodbloke wrote:
Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?


A frayed knot Roger.

There is insufficient room under the door step on the far left for the thickness of tiles I want and besides water puddles against the wall from the middle door all the way to the right hand step.

I have just seen, in the UK, one of these

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If I can hire one here it could be fun.

Apologies Andy for my flippancy...I was just about to post something about this bad boy but you beat me to it - Rob


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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 28 Jan 2018, 09:32

I found my Ryobi sds+ but only has a small chisel I will get a bolster type and start off with that.

Will hopefully find some new tiles tomorrow.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Rod » 28 Jan 2018, 11:53

Are you restricted to a thickness - can you use slabs instead of tiles?

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 28 Jan 2018, 12:11

Rod wrote:Are you restricted to a thickness - can you use slabs instead of tiles?

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I would prefer slabs Rod as I reckon those ceramic tiles are just not man enough. Depends on the thickness of the slabs of course. The gap under that far doorstep is currently 47mm so I if we can find slabs under 25mm I would be happy.
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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby Andyp » 28 Jan 2018, 12:12

Gone fishinf wrote:
Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:Why remove them ? Could you not tile over them ?


A frayed knot Roger.

There is insufficient room under the door step on the far left for the thickness of tiles I want and besides water puddles against the wall from the middle door all the way to the right hand step.

I have just seen, in the UK, one of these

Image

If I can hire one here it could be fun.



Andy,

I have exactly the same problem, I’m off to my local Aldi tomorrow, they have a large SDS drill with hammer only for 49.99 Euro’s which I hope will last.

I think the tile remover you show is really for wood plastic and vinyl flooring, the blades are not man enough for cement base tiles

Regards Paul


With a 3 yr guarantee looks like a no brainer to me. Shame Aldi do not offer them here.

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Re: Removing tiles from terrace

Postby RogerS » 28 Jan 2018, 12:44

Andyp wrote:
Rod wrote:Are you restricted to a thickness - can you use slabs instead of tiles?

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I would prefer slabs Rod as I reckon those ceramic tiles are just not man enough. Depends on the thickness of the slabs of course. The gap under that far doorstep is currently 47mm so I if we can find slabs under 25mm I would be happy.


Mandarin Stone have these. Wonder if they ship to France ?
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