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Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby RogerS » 22 Mar 2018, 09:07

Hi guys

Wondered if any of you would like to come up with a value for the above? ...just would like to check my own calculations.

12500 tons sitka spruce

800 tons japanese larch

170 tons lodgepole pine

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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby Mike G » 22 Mar 2018, 09:22

Someone offered you a chunk of Canada, Roger?
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby Pinch » 22 Mar 2018, 09:36

Based on two green oak posts I bought about 10 years ago from a saw mill, collectively weighing around 1 ton cost £90.

So my sums equate to £1.3m :shock: :eusa-think: :shock:

This doesn't include price inflation or bulk discount.
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby RogerS » 22 Mar 2018, 10:25

it's the amount of timber proposed to go down our road. I'm trying to work out the overall value of the extraction contract because from that we can try and work out what the relative percentage is them extracting by a different route.

I came up with only £400,000 which I think is too low...hence the thread.
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby 9fingers » 22 Mar 2018, 10:49

14000 tonnes of softwood is about 10000 cu m

50% waste on processing and low grade rejects say 5000 cu m yield

Trade selling price £ 400 per cu m = £2m But there is the huge cost of processing, waste disposal, felling, transport and every ones margin along the line.

I doubt if it is any more than £1m as standing timber possibly less.

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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby Phil » 22 Mar 2018, 15:17

Harvesting costs, forest to road side?

Road side cost, own collection?

Delivered mill yard cost over weighbridge?

Pulp logs?

Saw logs?

Debarked at road side?

Debarked at mill?

Log lengths?

Average log diameter?

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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby RogerS » 23 Mar 2018, 09:14

Phil wrote:Harvesting costs, forest to road side?

Road side cost, own collection?

Delivered mill yard cost over weighbridge?

Pulp logs?

Saw logs?

Debarked at road side?

Debarked at mill?

Log lengths?

Average log diameter?

So many questions ………………….
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All of the above.

Probably...

Seriously the tonnage I've indicated are on an estate owned by an investment company. They have issued a tender for a company to come in to buy the trees. The company is responsible for all the work involved such as chopping down the trees, preparing the logs, sorting out the brash, even replanting (I believe). So this company will be paying the investment company a chunk of money for the privilege. Trying to get a handle on what the contract is worth to the investment company.

We do know that they have a total of about 80,000 tonnes growing and propose an extraction on a similar scale every two years until it's all gone. So we really want to nip this in the bud.
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby Rod » 23 Mar 2018, 11:20

How are you going to do that as your County Council has signed up to Timber Extraction?:

“Kielder and other key strategic forests are the driving force behind a significant processing sector in the region.

Northumberland County Council is a strong partner, together with representatives of the forest industry and forestry commission in the North East timber transport group.”

Sadly with that amount of money at stake the pleas from a few households are not going to have much weight.

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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby RogerS » 23 Mar 2018, 12:40

True and that became very clear from one email I received from the Council.

But they still need to go through a proper and robust Risk Assessment. At the moment there is none. Nor Method Statement, no FMEA, nothing. Someone has to put their name to the bottom of a piece of paper so that when the ordure hits the ventilating equipment, their nuts are forfeit. Only the other week, a timber lorry shed its load all over the A69. Yesterday there were schoolchildren all the way up the hill. There is nowhere for them to go if a lorry came down the hill. Even with a manually controlled convoy (our preference) there are adjoining footpaths. Many local residents walk the hill with their dogs.
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

Postby Phil » 24 Mar 2018, 08:42

9fingers wrote:14000 tonnes of softwood is about 10000 cu m

50% waste on processing and low grade rejects say 5000 cu m yield

Trade selling price £ 400 per cu m = £2m But there is the huge cost of processing, waste disposal, felling, transport and every ones margin along the line.

I doubt if it is any more than £1m as standing timber possibly less.

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Bob, you are probably right when looking at saw logs.

Pulp logs, debarked, would give an 80%+ yield.
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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

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Re: Price for 14000 tonnes of standing timber

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