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Postby Woodster » 13 Dec 2018, 15:28

Just a bit of daydreaming but if you could afford to go on a lads trip to Japan to visit a couple of their top tool shops would you go? :D I’d need to take a few thousand in spending money and how would I get all the tools back! :lol:
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Mike G » 13 Dec 2018, 15:33

No. I'm more than happy with the tools we use over here.
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby RogerS » 13 Dec 2018, 17:01

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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby 9fingers » 13 Dec 2018, 21:54

Mike G wrote:No. I'm more than happy with the tools we use over here.


I'm with you Mike! I just can't get on with Japanese saws. The handle is all wrong and pulling to cut is so awkward to me.

Not that I use a handsaw of any nationality very much at all. I did make a box last week and cut the lit off with a small tenon saw -that was because I had a FTG groover blade in the table saw and a metal cutting blade in the band saw. Prior to that I really cant remember when I last used a manual saw. They just don't fit into my way of working with wood.

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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby RogerS » 13 Dec 2018, 22:48

I find that I like using both types of saw. If I'm cutting carcassing then I'll pick up a standard saw from Screwfix. But I never really got on with tenon saw like the Gents for fine work and prefer my Japanese Goto saw.
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Rod » 13 Dec 2018, 23:19

I use both types of saws, both types of chisels, hammers and planes.
The saws in particular cut very fast and have a very thin kerf.

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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Woodster » 14 Dec 2018, 00:03

Mike G wrote:No. I'm more than happy with the tools we use over here.


You mean the Chinese made ones? :lol:
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby StevieB » 14 Dec 2018, 08:44

Woodster wrote:
Mike G wrote:No. I'm more than happy with the tools we use over here.


You mean the Chinese made ones? :lol:



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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Woodster » 14 Dec 2018, 12:26

The Japanese do make some nice tools. ;) One of these would be nice for Christmas... :lol:

https://www.dictum.com/en/hammers-bafa/ ... mer-705692
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Mike G » 14 Dec 2018, 12:38

Woodster wrote:
Mike G wrote:No. I'm more than happy with the tools we use over here.


You mean the Chinese made ones? :lol:


No, I meant the English made ones. If not a single tool were imported into this country for the next 25 years, there would be plenty enough tools in circulation to keep every single hand-tool user content.
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Rod » 14 Dec 2018, 17:47

But if everyone did that, tool shops would not exist except S/H ones and it would mean the end of our remaining tool makers.
Somebody has to buy new stuff!

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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Woodster » 14 Dec 2018, 18:56

In terms of flat woodworking I have indeed seen loads of old tools at various shows. I suspect though that many of them are carbon steel and whilst they take a very good edge they need to be sharpened more often. Maybe not so practical for some woodworkers used to HSS tools?

This actually begs another (Japanese related) question, do laminated Japanese edge tools like plane blades and chisels hold an edge well? Anyone know?

My favourite kitchen knife is a Japanese Usuba (vegetable knife) and being laminated high carbon steel in the middle with stainless flanks it really does maintain its sharpness better than any other kitchen knife I’ve used.
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Mike G » 14 Dec 2018, 19:14

Rod wrote:But if everyone did that, tool shops would not exist except S/H ones and it would mean the end of our remaining tool makers.
Somebody has to buy new stuff!

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Yeah, I'm not advocating that everyone gives up buying new stuff, but I am saying that there is no necessity to buy Chinese tools.
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Woodbloke » 22 Dec 2018, 13:37

Woodster wrote:Just a bit of daydreaming but if you could afford to go on a lads trip to Japan to visit a couple of their top tool shops would you go? :D I’d need to take a few thousand in spending money and how would I get all the tools back! :lol:

The problem is there are no big tool shops in Japan. There are loads of small artisanal makers who do different stuff, but no one largish 'superstore' (say like our beloved Axminster) to buy stuff under one roof. Your best bet is to spend online and go to Tools from Japan The owner happens to be an expat flogging Japanese tools from a couple of units in Kagawa Perfecture, just across the water from Honshu. If you're after kitchen knives, the best place go is Kappabashi-dori in Toyko - Rob
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Re: Japan tool shop visit

Postby Woodbloke » 22 Dec 2018, 13:41

Woodster wrote:This actually begs another (Japanese related) question, do laminated Japanese edge tools like plane blades and chisels hold an edge well? Anyone know?

My favourite kitchen knife is a Japanese Usuba (vegetable knife) and being laminated high carbon steel in the middle with stainless flanks it really does maintain its sharpness better than any other kitchen knife I’ve used.


Short answer - they will take and hold an edge better (IMHO) than any Western steel that I've come across. I only use high carbon steel (blue and white paper) Japanese knives now in the kitchen, having given up years ago on crappy stainless steel knives - Rob
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