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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 15 May 2019, 13:19

It does looks good, you wont regret taking the time to paint it now. It will be impossible when you have "moved" in.
is there any point in finessing those areas under and behind work benches etc?
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 15 May 2019, 15:14

Yes Andy I have been thinking that. At first I was not planning on painting under bench height at all but I am pleased that I did.
I am going to buy 2.5l of paint in a suitable colour and give the upper part another coat.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 15 May 2019, 20:17

MY63 wrote:Thanks Malcolm you are right it feels different already I think I might add a final coat of paint with the roller. I mixed the paint by eye so it is three or four different shades so I am thinking of investing in a custom mix of grey paint from a local supplier.
I am going to start running wires today I need to work out how I am going to get the wires under the window.



I brought my armoured cable in under then eaves to a consumer unit just inside the door, which means I can switch most circuits off as I leave the 'shop and lock it up. As the hole through the walls is underneath the eaves, it is fairly safe from weather getting in.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Mike G » 15 May 2019, 21:12

It's looking better and better, Michael. Can't wait to see your kit in there and some work happening at your bench.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 16 May 2019, 11:29

Thanks Malcolm as far as I understand there will box a box on the outside with the cable passing through a gland which is tightened around the cable. It makes sense to tuck it under the eaves for extra protection I will do that.
My brother is a retired electrian and is telling me how to install the cables his son in law is still working as an electrician and he is going to do the connecting. I had not realised that I could save lots of cable by going all the way around in one go rather than having a cable returning to the board. So I have had to make trunking around the window. I did not want to go under the window as it would cause issues with the work bench.

Image2019-05-16_11-04-55 by my0771, on Flickr

I have followed the edge of the window edge trim of course it means more painting so I went to the big orange store where they had 17 different Dulux grey paints my wife helped me to choose polished pebble as the colour closest to that I had mixed.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 16 May 2019, 12:10

I did the same and trunked over the doors in my shop.

My sparks used the box for the armoured cable where it left the house, but we routed it up the corner of the workshop to the eaves, along the eaves and the curvature of the cable just allowed us to get the cable through the wall downwards from the eaves and then it was peeled back etc inside the workshop and into the CU. Looks very neat and discrete.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 16 May 2019, 20:55

Mike G wrote:It's looking better and better, Michael. Can't wait to see your kit in there and some work happening at your bench.


Thanks Mike I have been thinking about work benches the MFT style top is going to have a torsion style box below it, mainly to catch things that fall through the holes.
The bench below will have 100mm legs with mortice and tennon supports. all other benches are going to be 100mm legs with more mortice and tenon joints.

Thanks again Malcolmyour advice has been spot on so far so I am going to ask my brother if we can end the armoured cable where it enters the house although I have lots of cable it is quite difficult to manage indoors swapping to 2.5mm twin and earth would be much easier to manage. Our house was built in the 1930s and the bricks have a black centre and are very hard a very large drill is required to drill through them. I was not looking forward to drilling a 20mm hole through them.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 16 May 2019, 21:05

I forgot to share todays pictures of the finished painting the colour is quite similar to that I had mixed previously. I bought 5 liters and used maybe one so I have another tin to put in the cupboard :D

Image2019-05-16_08-30-02 by my0771, on Flickr

Image2019-05-16_08-30-21 by my0771, on Flickr

I decided not to re paint the lower half.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 16 May 2019, 21:08

Cracking job!

Time to get power and fitting out!
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 18 May 2019, 20:13

BTW, I've sent you a PM for some specialist advice.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 18 May 2019, 21:06

Thanks as ever Malcolm I have replied to your message.

Should I be thinking about dust extraction before I start fitting out it might be easier to add pipes now rather than later.
I should have mentioned I have two bench top sanders and a bandsaw oh and a plunge saw also used for wood and leather which is as bad as wood for breathing in.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 18 May 2019, 22:05

I have two means of extraction. One is a huge one that gulps up the shavings from the planer and the dust from the table and band saws via a 100mm pipe.

The other is the Aldi wet/dry vac that I plug the smaller tools into when I'm using them. It automatically switches on when I switch the tool on. That one sits in and under the new bench, so it it mobile whenever I move the bench on its casters.

I would think you need to decide if you need heavy duty and medium duty extractors, and do you want to plumb the workshop or plug in when you need to.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 19 May 2019, 11:47

I don’t think I need chip extraction mainly dust I have read enough to totally confuse myself.
I was thinking of having the bandsaw and sanding machines next to each other on castors but I am questioning this idea. The bandsaw came with a heavy metal base to keep it steady I was going to wrap it in plywood and add castors. Using french cleats to keep it in place.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 22 May 2019, 09:33

Not a lot of progress recently after allowing the paint to dry for a few days I started putting the wiring in to the trunking.

Image2019-05-22_06-52-40 by my0771, on Flickr

I think I am getting pre occupied with the dust extraction malarkey I am going to make the bench for the MFT top next :D
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 22 May 2019, 15:36

Slight change of plan the wiring took a lot longer than I thought when I went out for lunch I bought a consumer unit and the bits and bobs to go with it.

Image2019-05-22_03-12-27 by my0771, on Flickr

Back boxes fitted cables cut and lighting cable also fitted.

I am still agonising over dust extraction it would be great to be able to use my sanders and bandsaw without making lots of dust.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 22 May 2019, 15:52

Won't be long now!
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 22 May 2019, 17:59

Malc2098 wrote:Won't be long now!


Oh I dunno, it will take a month of Sunday's to wire up all those sockets. :)

Great stuff.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 22 May 2019, 19:32

Andyp wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Won't be long now!


Oh I dunno, it will take a month of Sunday's to wire up all those sockets. :)

Great stuff.


The electrician my brother tells me 15 minutes per socket Andy I guess I might be able to help him.
When I drilled the entry hole for the armoured cable I decided to move the distribution panel to the other side of the trunking.
I bought some Wisk boxes to seal the cable entry points inside and out.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 25 May 2019, 21:49

Electrics are done for now time to start benches.

For the MFT style top I wanted to try a torsion box type of support system the main reason being when stuff drops through the holes I wanted to be able to get to it easily.

I made a little cross cut jig to help me with the track saw.

Image2019-05-25_06-36-49 by my0771, on Flickr

Image2019-05-25_06-39-34 by my0771, on Flickr

I need to take a picture of the inside tomorrow.

My plan is to make a frame to support the box and MFT top remembering my error with the doors and mortising.

Image2019-03-08_01-44-54 by my0771, on Flickr

Not wanting to make a similar mistake I need to make a joint at the corner and also attach the leg which is a 100mm square post.
I was thinking of butting the two pieces together and removing material from the top of the leg to allow the rails to fit inside.
Or would it be better to mortise and tenon the rails into the sides of the leg.
Advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 26 May 2019, 10:37

How high will this table be? For rigidity I would M&T with further cross braces M&T’d lower down.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 26 May 2019, 11:43

Thanks Andy total height is going to be 900mm when I have set up my temporary benches I have always defaulted to this height.
The top is only 1m long will two sets of legs be sufficient or should I add a third set of legs ?

Image2019-05-26_11-04-17 by my0771, on Flickr

Those of you with eagle eyes will notice one or two of the plywood pieces in the torsion box is not square I must admit I had not set up my replacement saw correctly in that I had not noticed it was set to 3 degrees rather than 0 I thought I had replaced all of them but missed one. Another lesson learned :)
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Woodbloke » 26 May 2019, 14:07

MY63 wrote:
I am still agonising over dust extraction it would be great to be able to use my sanders and bandsaw without making lots of dust.

That is a whole, awkward and very important kettle of worms. Yes, you definitely need extraction but it depends on a lot of variables...budget, available space, type of dust (fine sanding dust, dust from a bandsasw etc) - Rob
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Woodbloke » 26 May 2019, 14:11

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I brought my armoured cable in....

Nah...I didn't bother with that. Stuffed ordinary 13A cable through a length of garden hose pipe and then buried it in the ground :D - Rob
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 26 May 2019, 15:54

Woodbloke wrote:
MY63 wrote:

That is a whole, awkward and very important kettle of worms. Yes, you definitely need extraction but it depends on a lot of variables...budget, available space, type of dust (fine sanding dust, dust from a bandsasw etc) - Rob


Thanks Rob

I used my track saw outside the other day and my neighbour had their door open so I attached my old vacuum and it worked great. I have a band saw and three sanders I usually use the sanders out side clamped to a workmate. I have a reasonable amount of space and I was going to say a reasonable amount of money but I that was spent a long time ago. I will find what ever money I need to do the job right.
I have been reading about a thein baffle which I could put under the band saw and put the vac under the sanders bench.
As for the armoured cable my brother may be retired but he knows the rules and his son in law is going to do the final connection and sign off and he supplied the cable free of charge. So I had to use it I only have to drill a hole from the garage into the house and it is ready at both ends. :)
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Re: Small workshop Bench question

Postby MY63 » 02 Jun 2019, 11:54

I have started making my bench for under the MFT style top and am a little concerned over the size of my rails. My legs may be a little over size at 100mm but I am a little worried my rails may be a little on the small side at 35mm x 75mm is this heavy enough or should I stick two together and have 70mm x 75mm rails.
The other question is how deep should the mortices be.
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