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Postby woodstalker » 25 Mar 2021, 17:34

Sorry much like my previous potting shed this one is not a workshop but probably sits here best.

http://www.thewoodhaven2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4196

So we used to have a posh but neglected summerhouse in the garden which we used for general garden storage. It was sat directly in the concrete slab by the previous owner and had a serious case of rot underneath. A few years ago I was woken by the door and my neighbour thoughtfully asked if my shed was supposed to be on fire (it was 5 in the morning). Anyway I was greeted by this which my garden hose failed to put out:

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After a weekend cleanup we were left with this:

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Which now looks like this (mug of tea for scale):

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So having learned a lot from the Potting Shed build I intend to build something similar here. The concrete base is 2900x2900 but the shed footprint will be 2900x2400mm with the remaining 500mm on the one side being a log store which the roof will extend over.

I’ll raise the floor up off the concrete because it weirdly slopes up to the wall behind so any rainwater runs down onto the concrete and into any timber in the floor. I’ve done a quick sketch up of what it will probably look like and I’ll add it here when I go back in the house later.

I’ll probably use the same roof design which is mono pitch felt covered but does anyone know what pitch I should be aiming for? I don’t want the roof too high to cast more shade in the garden.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Mike G » 25 Mar 2021, 17:43

A "flat" roof can be 1 in 100 with some of the better single ply membranes, including EPDM, but with felt I would aim for 1 in 75 or 80. Have you considered EPDM?
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 25 Mar 2021, 17:50

Mike G wrote:A "flat" roof can be 1 in 100 with some of the better single ply membranes, including EPDM, but with felt I would aim for 1 in 75 or 80. Have you considered EPDM?


Hi Mike, thanks I’ll have a look at it. I used felt last time on the potting shed for up front costs but I did use an off cut of recycled edpm on the duck house which has worked well. I expect it will be more cost effective in the long run I have not used it before on a roof so was a bit nervous about cocking it up.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Mike G » 25 Mar 2021, 18:14

It couldn't be simpler, actually. It's easier than felt. Look in your builder's merchants rather than Rubber4Roofs, as they have got pricey lately. And don't buy the plastic trim, which can cost more than the rubber. Best done in slightly warmer weather.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby MattS » 25 Mar 2021, 18:44

I'm no expert but have now done a shed, porch and a log store with EPDM and have the stuff ready to do another shed for my Dad. It's really easy and satisfying knowing you won't need to touch it for a LONG time, much longer than felt.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 26 Mar 2021, 18:16

Righto, timber and EPDM roofing kit ordered so construction will commence on the Bank Holiday weekend. (Unless it’s chucking it down!)
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Regex » 26 Mar 2021, 20:01

I'll probably go with EPDM.

There's been an excellent video series recently published by Ali Dymock on youtube, and he goes through the EPDM stage on there. I'll probably do the same for my workshop build.



Good luck.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 26 Mar 2021, 21:04

Regex wrote:I'll probably go with EPDM.

There's been an excellent video series recently published by Ali Dymock on youtube, and he goes through the EPDM stage on there. I'll probably do the same for my workshop build.



Good luck.


Thanks for the link and the luck!
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 06 Apr 2021, 17:18

Got this far today, waiting on Wickes to deliver the rest of my floor timber tomorrow:

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had a bit of a tinker with the design so that the sides are going to be a bit smaller so as to be the exact same size as my OSB sheathing so as to minimise the need for cutting the sheets.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby AJB Temple » 06 Apr 2021, 17:44

Are those black supports levelling clips or a means of securing the wood? I've not seen them in sue before? Is the intention to stop the wood coming in wet contact with the slab? What stops mice getting into the space beneath?
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Cabinetman » 06 Apr 2021, 17:46

I like those little feet that you have the base frame sat on, what are they made of and where from please?
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Woodbloke » 06 Apr 2021, 18:05

AJB Temple wrote: What stops mice getting into the space beneath?


You want to see my suspended floor; I've got enough room underneath for a herd of badgers, let alone a few mices :lol: It's completely 'open plan' from one side to the other so plenty of room any inhabitants to come and go. I may have had a hedgehog in there at some time but he's not there any more 'cos I found one a few years ago floating upside down in the pond :cry: - Rob
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 06 Apr 2021, 18:25

AJB Temple wrote:Are those black supports levelling clips or a means of securing the wood? I've not seen them in sue before? Is the intention to stop the wood coming in wet contact with the slab? What stops mice getting into the space beneath?


They are levelling feet and keeps the wood up by about a third of an inch off the concrete. Before I batten onto the OSB I’ll run some stainless steel mesh around the base to try and keep the mice at bay.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 06 Apr 2021, 18:30

Cabinetman wrote:I like those little feet that you have the base frame sat on, what are they made of and where from please?


I used adjustable ones on the potting shed build off ebay but I got these ones that come with shims to level off.

This seller: https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/bradplas
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 06 Apr 2021, 18:32

Woodbloke wrote:
AJB Temple wrote: What stops mice getting into the space beneath?


You want to see my suspended floor; I've got enough room underneath for a herd of badgers, let alone a few mices :lol: It's completely 'open plan' from one side to the other so plenty of room any inhabitants to come and go. I may have had a hedgehog in there at some time but he's not there any more 'cos I found one a few years ago floating upside down in the pond :cry: - Rob


To be fair Rob you could move a small family under your workshop; you’d need a lot of mesh to keep everything out!
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 07 Apr 2021, 18:51

Had to wait until after lunch for the timber delivery so went to the workshop to work on some drawer fronts for some drawers I’ve made to go in the workbench; all out of random reclaimed timber I had about the place.

Anyway, once I had lugged the rest of the timber down to the garden I finished off putting the noggins in:

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And then screwed the floor down and finally trimmed off the edges of the osb with my track saw to end the day like this:

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Hopefully get a better start tomorrow so some better progress to report.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 08 Apr 2021, 17:46

So the weather here says we are going to get rain on Saturday so I put my foot down to get as much done today.

The aim is to get the main roof structure on and the EPDM resting on the roof to settle but also to keep the worst of the rain out.

So I got three and a half walls up, I left the half a wall whilst I decide what door to go for (based on what materials I have about the place!)

I set up a temporary saw station on my sawhorses:

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Then got the first wall up:

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Second wall:

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The back wall and door wall:

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Left it there for the day because I need a sit down and a fishfinger sandwich!
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Re: Garden shed

Postby Malc2098 » 08 Apr 2021, 17:49

Coming along. Nothing like a good fishmonger sandwich! Tartare or Ketchup?! :)
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 08 Apr 2021, 17:54

Malc2098 wrote:Coming along. Nothing like a good fishmonger sandwich! Tartare or Ketchup?! :)


Thanks Malc, I tend to go for ketchup but her ladyship has got a jar of tartar in to raise the tone for the occasion.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 09 Apr 2021, 19:13

Full steam ahead today, ahead of the forecast rain tomorrow.

Got the roof structure all up:

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And then laid out the EPDM over the roof to flatten out over a couple of days:

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Added a temporary ‘door’ to keep the rain out and weighted down the EPDM on all the corners and edges.
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 11 Apr 2021, 21:27

Since the weather was a bit rubbish yesterday I did indoor projects (including a fairy door- Mrs Woodstalker took our daughter on a walk in some woods not far from us and some ‘thoughtful’ people had placed fairy doors at the base of some of the trees and so it became the latest ask...)

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Painting and decoration to follow...

I saw on another thread someone using Cladman tools to help with the feather edge to make it a one person job and since my little helper can’t really reach much I had a look at them and thought I could knock something up to do a similar job:

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The mk1 worked pretty well but one of the joints was not too strong so I just added a bit of angle steel to hold it nicely at 90 degrees to make the mk2!

More to follow...

Edit: it was Darren’s (DBT85) workshop build http://www.thewoodhaven2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5615&start=25
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 12 Apr 2021, 18:45

Got all the cladding all done today after waking up to some snow:

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Also finished off the first coat of ebony stain on two sides. Annoyingly my dry cladding pile got drenched as the snow melted so will have to wait a few days before I can stain the other two sides.

Next job is to clad the soffits and then with luck do the EPDM roof...
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Re: Garden shed

Postby woodstalker » 13 Apr 2021, 19:04

Doesn’t look like much but got all the soffits done which was very fiddly and annoying, plus I ran out of screws!

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Also stained another side.

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Hopefully tomorrow I can paint the soffits and maybe even get to the EPDM roof...
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