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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 16 Mar 2018, 14:13

Thanks, Phil and Bob.

I'll try an incorporate both ideas!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Mike G » 17 Mar 2018, 08:31

Looking good, Malcolm. I hope the old tin tack doesn't give you too much trouble.

Just a quick aside on varnishing the floor. If you use a water-based varnish, then you should use at least a satin finish, and maybe a full gloss, because the less glossiness there is the softer the final finish. Personally, if I was going to varnish, I'd probably go for a spirit based floor varnish, but just do it on a day when all the doors and windows can be open. Having said that, I reckon I'd be using a floor paint for all the reasons given previously.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 17 Mar 2018, 10:57

Mike G wrote:Looking good, Malcolm. I hope the old tin tack doesn't give you too much trouble.

Just a quick aside on varnishing the floor. If you use a water-based varnish, then you should use at least a satin finish, and maybe a full gloss, because the less glossiness there is the softer the final finish. Personally, if I was going to varnish, I'd probably go for a spirit based floor varnish, but just do it on a day when all the doors and windows can be open. Having said that, I reckon I'd be using a floor paint for all the reasons given previously.



Thanks, Mike. Old war wounds; a couple of motorbike crashes in the 70s.

OK. More good advice to go with.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Phil » 20 Mar 2018, 13:03

Malc2098 wrote:Thanks, Phil and Bob.

I'll try an incorporate both ideas!



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There are some pics of my blue floor in this thread



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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Mar 2018, 13:42

Thanks, Phil, much better than boring old grey!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby will1983 » 21 Mar 2018, 12:58

Just wondering,

Could you mix some blue / grey / white paint into the varnish to tint it?
This might work out more economical than buying the branded floor paint.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Mar 2018, 14:03

will1983 wrote:Just wondering,

Could you mix some blue / grey / white paint into the varnish to tint it?
This might work out more economical than buying the branded floor paint.



Sounds a neat idea, but I'm not qualified or experienced to know if it'll work.

Anybody else?
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Pinch » 21 Mar 2018, 20:03

I don't know - always worth to experiment with new ideas.

Looking very smooth matey, very smooth. 8-)
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 22 Mar 2018, 13:27

What do you reckon, Chaps?

I'm just about to plan the internal wiring. I want to keep it neat and protect it.

I propose using large plastic mini trunking (38mm x 25mm) attached to under the ridge to feed the lighting. I'm OK with that.

For the sockets, I have a lot of 11mm OSB left over. I have a load of 50x25mm left over. So I'm thinking of creating trunking just above bench height along the walls and use drywall boxes cut in to the OSB with metal clad sockets.

Will that work?
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Mike G » 23 Mar 2018, 08:02

Yep, that'll work. Don't forget it needs certificating by an electrician.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 23 Mar 2018, 10:03

Mike G wrote:Yep, that'll work. Don't forget it needs certificating by an electrician.



Thanks, Mike. I've got a sparks. He's certified the rest of the house and has done quite a bit of work. He's let me lay the SWA cable and will make the connections at each end and is OK with me making the loops in the workshop, so long as he checks it all.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 25 Mar 2018, 18:11

Blimey! It's that warm today, I got two coats on the inside.

The last couple of weeks I've had to do one coat and let it dry for a couple of days!!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Doug » 25 Mar 2018, 19:01

Malc2098 wrote:Blimey! It's that warm today, I got two coats on the inside.

That doesn’t sound that warm Malc ;) :lol: :lol:

Good to hear you’re making progress, it’s been a beautiful day.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Inside Painting Started)

Postby Malc2098 » 25 Mar 2018, 19:58

Doug wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:Blimey! It's that warm today, I got two coats on the inside.

That doesn’t sound that warm Malc ;) :lol: :lol:




Very droll :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Malc2098 » 28 Mar 2018, 13:01

On another 'shop build thread there's discussion about wiring; surface mounted, conduit, trunking, within walls.

Here's my three ha'peth of a solution.

Install a 35mm drywall box in 11mm OSB and edge the OSB with 25mmx25mm.

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Fit socket plate of choice to box

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What it looks like on the wall.

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In fixing terms, I realise that's not in the right order, but this was to model it to see if it works and fits.

I think it does work and I plan to make this trunking run from the Consumer Unit, (it will be in the top right of the last photo) down to that height and run it round the 'shop at that level, up and over the doors (the light switch can be housed beside the door in it), up to the ridge and back to the CU.

This should allow me to run two separate circuits around the 'shop for the different amperages and also for the lighting circuit. It should also allow me to add any more sockets should I so want in future.

I will of course paint it white like the walls, and I will use plastic mini-trunking under the ridge for the lighting.

So with a bit of luck, there should be no wiring visible.

I am not an electrician and have little electrical experience. So, so long as my sparks approves it (and I still have to chase him up to connect), have you guys any practical observations?
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby DaveL » 28 Mar 2018, 13:15

That looks a reasonable solution, I would suggest you leave plenty of wire lack in the trunking, as I bet you will want an extra socket or two once you start using them and it much easy to do if you don't have replace lots of the cable.
I added extra sockets in my workshop, but I still have a number of 4 way extension boards screwed to the wall to stop the continuous swapping of plugs.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby RogerS » 28 Mar 2018, 15:14

Surface mounted sockets and plastic trunking for me.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Phil » 28 Mar 2018, 16:30

DaveL wrote:That looks a reasonable solution, I would suggest you leave plenty of wire lack in the trunking, as I bet you will want an extra socket or two once you start using them and it much easy to do if you don't have replace lots of the cable.


Yes, definitely.

You can always daisy-chain the plugs but need to mark them clearly to prevent any overload.


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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby RogerS » 28 Mar 2018, 17:36

Phil wrote:....

You can always daisy-chain the plugs but need to mark them clearly to prevent any overload.


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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Phil » 29 Mar 2018, 08:10

Roger, I had the supply from the mains to the first plug. Then wired the second one from the first one, third one from the second one etc.

The only thing I had to watch was what I plugged into that bank of plugs at the same time.

Drills, sanders are ok, saws and planers and vacuum cleaner not ok.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Malc2098 » 29 Mar 2018, 08:31

To cover any confusion, I propose two circuits, one with a 16amp supply on a C type breaker for the heavy stuff. I will talk with my sparks about which sockets will be used for them, possibly commando sockets.

The second circuit will be for the lower powered stuff with normal 13 amp outlets.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby DaveL » 29 Mar 2018, 08:50

16 amp machines will need commando sockets, I have 2, my Wadkin table saw and the Multico planer, these are wired as radial feeds, one socket to its own breaker. I then have one ring main for the 13 amp sockets and 2 lighting circuits, so hopefully if the is a fault that pops a lighting feed I don't lose all of the lights.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Phil » 29 Mar 2018, 09:51

The commando sockets are a great idea.
Cant get your plugs mixed up.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby RogerS » 29 Mar 2018, 11:24

Phil wrote:Roger, I had the supply from the mains to the first plug. Then wired the second one from the first one, third one from the second one etc.

The only thing I had to watch was what I plugged into that bank of plugs at the same time.

Drills, sanders are ok, saws and planers and vacuum cleaner not ok.


I thought that's what you meant. It's not allowed over here.

I'm probably going to install one emergency light. If the power goes while you're working on a fast moving sharp spinny thing then it would be good to have some light to make sure you don't repaint the blades red.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Thinking about wiring)

Postby Andyp » 29 Mar 2018, 11:53

DaveL wrote:16 amp machines will need commando sockets, I have 2, my Wadkin table saw and the Multico planer, these are wired as radial feeds, one socket to its own breaker. I then have one ring main for the 13 amp sockets and 2 lighting circuits, so hopefully if the is a fault that pops a lighting feed I don't lose all of the lights.


I know electrickery is different here but I installed all my sockets at 16 amp. I think it was a maximum of 5 per breaker. Lights on 10 amp breaker.

Malc is it too late to install a socket in the floor? I have not regretted for one moment doing this.
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