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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 09:59

Having built, partially fitted out and started filling my new workshop with machines and benches I built for another larger shop years ago, I've got to the point where if I want to make as much use of this one as possible, I have to be more efficient with storage. I have still yet to find space for a floor standing band saw and a floor standing sander.

For example, I recently acquired a hobby level mortising machine. Currently it just stands on a wheeled bench along with a pillar drill, bench planer and a bench grinder and under which are stored a thicknesses and many other power tools in their cases. The mortiser weighs nearly 50kg and would be top heavy on a cart of it's own, unless it was disproportionately wide. And I'll be blowed if I'm going to try and lug that onto a working bench as and when I need them for the jobs I've got lined up.

So, I've decided to make some custom modular bench/carts for the machines so that when not in use they take up a small footprint, and when in use they can be wheeled into position and their working table height is the same as all the other machines and benches. This also means that that any casters need to be retractable for working stability and also that I want to reuse any redundant materials and use up any leftover materials from the shop build.

The first will house the compressor on the lower level to provide the base weight for the mortiser at bench level. The second will be a flip top cart for the pillar drill and bench grinder.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby 9fingers » 10 Aug 2018, 10:29

Flip top with a pillar drill sounds exciting! You might want to consider gas springs for counterbalancing?

I did a flip top with a lunch box thicknesser a while back until I got my Delta monster four post thicknesser that weighs in around 250kg I decided that a motorised vertical lift was safer for that!

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby RogerS » 10 Aug 2018, 10:51

Malc, I can look after your bandsaw for you if it's in the way.

The wheeled base from Axminster is good https://www.axminster.co.uk/jet-heavy-d ... es-ax20850
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 11:08

9fingers wrote:Flip top with a pillar drill sounds exciting! You might want to consider gas springs for counterbalancing?

I did a flip top with a lunch box thicknesser a while back until I got my Delta monster four post thicknesser that weighs in around 250kg I decided that a motorised vertical lift was safer for that!

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Thanks, Bob, but a vertical lift sounds far too sophisticated for me! :D

However, I've decided not to use the flip top pivoted, but with linkages as per Carl Holmgren's version.

https://carlholmgrenwoodworking.com/product/flip-top-tool-stand-plans/

I like the idea that the machine base wholly rests on the sides of the cabinet and doesn't rely just on the pivot and catches.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 11:11

RogerS wrote:Malc, I can look after your bandsaw for you if it's in the way.

The wheeled base from Axminster is good https://www.axminster.co.uk/jet-heavy-d ... es-ax20850



Course you can, Rog! I'll put it on the roof rack and pop it over! :D

It already has a similar wheeled base, but it's been in the damper corner of the garage since we move there (8 years ago) and I'll have to give the base a clean and a service before I can even get it out of the garage. Then there's the steps up the garden. I think I'll have to call for more muscle on FB again!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby 9fingers » 10 Aug 2018, 11:23

Malc2098 wrote:
9fingers wrote:Flip top with a pillar drill sounds exciting! You might want to consider gas springs for counterbalancing?

I did a flip top with a lunch box thicknesser a while back until I got my Delta monster four post thicknesser that weighs in around 250kg I decided that a motorised vertical lift was safer for that!

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1566&p=19216

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1665

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Thanks, Bob, but a vertical lift sounds far too sophisticated for me! :D

However, I've decided not to use the flip top pivoted, but with linkages as per Carl Holmgren's version.

https://carlholmgrenwoodworking.com/product/flip-top-tool-stand-plans/

I like the idea that the machine base wholly rests on the sides of the cabinet and doesn't rely just on the pivot and catches.


That is quite a neat idea but In the act of flipping, you are having to lift the combined weight of the two machines a few inches and I'd also be concerned about the lateral stiffness of the wooden moving parts during the flipping action.

Long tern I do have one more "flippin" job in mind so will return to this idea to start from so thanks for the steer Malc.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 11:52

...and the retractible casters will operate from an eccentric cam. (I think that's what it's called)
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Andyp » 10 Aug 2018, 12:08

Are you sure retractable castors are necessary for every cabinet? Whenever I looked I found them to be cost prohibitive. I have braked castors on a large router table that also acts as a bench for the lathe and band saw. The only time it wobbles is when rough turning very large and un-round lumps on the lathe.

For things like bench grinder, morticer, bench drill etc where the operating forces are downwards I would have thought braked castors would suffice.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 13:08

Andyp wrote:Are you sure retractable castors are necessary for every cabinet? Whenever I looked I found them to be cost prohibitive..........

Will watch with interest.


In the first instance, I will be using casters for the morticer, just because of the sheer weight and top heavy distribution. Aldidl sell tham in different sizes from time to time at very reasonable prices and I know they are not nearly as well made as the ones Peter Parfitt uses, but for the short duration of operation while moving around the 'shop and the low frequency of that occurrence, I think they'll do.

For the lighter machines, I will be thinking about braked casters.

However my overriding thoughts are that these casters are fixed to wood chassis (whatever the plural is) and so I should not use them for machine operation, because I believe the vibration could affect the fixings, unlike metal to metal fixings.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby RogerS » 10 Aug 2018, 15:07

Malc2098 wrote:.....
However my overriding thoughts are that these casters are fixed to wood chassis (whatever the plural is) and so I should not use them for machine operation, because I believe the vibration could affect the fixings, unlike metal to metal fixings.


I've used casters on wood platforms with heavy stuff and never had any issues.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby 9fingers » 10 Aug 2018, 17:24

RogerS wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:.....
However my overriding thoughts are that these casters are fixed to wood chassis (whatever the plural is) and so I should not use them for machine operation, because I believe the vibration could affect the fixings, unlike metal to metal fixings.


I've used casters on wood platforms with heavy stuff and never had any issues.



Agreed. I might sometimes attach with through bolts and nyloc nuts for particularly heavy duties.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Aug 2018, 18:03

Ok, Chaps. I stand by your greater experience and knowledge, however, this first one with such a small footprint and a high CoG, I will retract them and have wide feet. The rest, I'll see.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Aug 2018, 14:55

Some of you may remember that my 80 something uncle came to help me with the roof construction last year.

Well, just look at what the lovely bloke has given me!! He said he couldn't get on with it.

So I've got to learn how to get on with it now!

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Rod » 15 Aug 2018, 15:10

Nice present.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby DaveL » 17 Aug 2018, 08:46

Very nice, he should be top of your Christmas list now.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Pinch » 17 Aug 2018, 10:04

Very nice indeed Malc. The workshop is looking grand too. 8-)
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 17 Aug 2018, 16:40

Thank you, Gents.

Just popped over to Axtools and got the upgrade kit and Trend bush adapter.

Well........dropped wife and daughter in Honiton to do the charity shops at the same time! :D
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 19 Aug 2018, 12:42

Just pulled this out from the depths of my garage!

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So far, it looks juts like it only needs a belt, but I'll give the tyres a good check over.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 06:38

Malc2098 wrote:..... but I'll give the tyres a good check over.


Don't forget the oil and brake fluid :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby DaveL » 20 Aug 2018, 09:28

Is that belt on correctly? I think it might be the wrong side of the jockey wheel, it should be pulled into the driven wheel, not pushed away from it.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 10:06

RogerS wrote:
Malc2098 wrote:..... but I'll give the tyres a good check over.


Don't forget the oil and brake fluid :lol:



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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 10:10

DaveL wrote:Is that belt on correctly? I think it might be the wrong side of the jockey wheel, it should be pulled into the driven wheel, not pushed away from it.



The belt is well perished and bits of it are stuck in some of the grooves on the wheels. A new one and spare are on order from Drivebelt Solutions.

The saw a 2 speed version with different sizes of integral pulleys and wheels and looking at the manual, the belt is on the same as in the photo.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 17:41

It seems to be correct according to the little drawing inside the door.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby DaveL » 20 Aug 2018, 18:16

Sorry, just looked at mine and it's the same as yours. But if I was setting up a jockey wheel from scratch then I would be doing it the other way to increase the amount of belt contact with the small pulley.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Starting to fill it up)

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 19:40

DaveL wrote:Sorry, just looked at mine and it's the same as yours. But if I was setting up a jockey wheel from scratch then I would be doing it the other way to increase the amount of belt contact with the small pulley.



I could be wrong, but having fettled the threaded adjustment rod, there is a lot of movement on it - 3" or more. I think it's set up that way because it's two speed and needs a lot of slack to take up on the slower speed.
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