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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Andyp » 15 Oct 2017, 11:32

I am sympathetic towards screwing. It enables easy adjustment and replacement. When time is not your master I will screw all the time.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Oct 2017, 11:46

RogerS wrote:Excellent progress, Malc. Just wondered why you were screwing the cladding on. I'd have been tempted to hire a Finishing Paslode or similar.


Thanks, Roger.

I have only screwed the bottom cladding board, because if I was ever going to get one wrong, it would be that one, and I did! Even though I measured all the wedges, it's pulled in and touching the brickwork. I should be able to unscrew and re-wedge to sit proud of the bricks.

But at the moment, I'm using the weather window to clad before we get wet weather. I hope to be able to fine tune the bottom board at leisure.

All the other boards are fixed with stainless steel nails, pre-drilled. (Blimey they're expensive!)
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Oct 2017, 11:47

Andyp wrote:I am sympathetic towards screwing. It enables easy adjustment and replacement. When time is not your master I will screw all the time.



Andy,

It took me three reads of this before I could stop crying and type my reply! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby 9fingers » 15 Oct 2017, 13:16

TMI Andy!! :lol: :lol:

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Phil » 15 Oct 2017, 13:22

Andyp wrote:I am sympathetic towards screwing. It enables easy adjustment and replacement. When time is not your master I will screw all the time.


:oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dear Andrew,

Kindly remember this is a family forum.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Phil » 15 Oct 2017, 13:31

Malc,

That is really looking good. :eusa-clap:

Somewhere in your previous life you must have been an engineer!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Andyp » 15 Oct 2017, 15:15

You are a filthly lot.
Honestly guys you are reading more into my posts than I had intended.
Try replacing one or two rotten planks in typical french style shutters without ruining them all trying to get them apart. I rebuilt and screwed the planks home JIC I neec to replace in the future.

There are 4 or 5 boards on the side of my barn that are screwd on now to allow easy access when I lock myself out.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Oct 2017, 15:48

:lol: Yeah, right! :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby RogerS » 15 Oct 2017, 16:57

Andyp wrote:........
There are 4 or 5 boards on the side of my barn that are screwd on now to allow easy access when I lock myself out.


Just remember to take a screwdriver with you when you leave the house !
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Phil » 15 Oct 2017, 17:11

Andyp wrote:You are a filthly lot.
Honestly guys you are reading more into my posts than I had intended.
out.


Andy, it is better to rather not try talking yourself out of it .................

What is said, is said :lol: :lol:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Jimmy Mack » 15 Oct 2017, 22:16

Malc2098 wrote:
Jimmy Mack wrote:I've not caught up with your build for ages Malc ( it's been a busy time).

You've progressed loads, and you'll be in it soon! The cladding was my favourite stage.

Excellent stuff, Very neat roof work :eusa-clap:



Thanks, Jim. Too kind!

It's slow progress, really. My mate can only get over about 1 day a fortnight, and my arthritis takes such a hammering, I have to do one day on, one day off!

The cladding is satisfying.

Anyway, Gents.

Talking of cladding, we took about a half our each on the first two, until we got into a rhythm, then it was about 10 to 15 minutes each.

To be honest, I couldn't get on with the crucifix, as much as I wanted to. The rest of the cladding I will be fitting on my own, but the longest lengths will be 3.5m and not nearly so heavy as the 5.5s.

So, lying half awake for most of the night, I came up with this.

It can reference off the bottom of the most recent fixed board which should be level. It can hang, screwed, from a counter batten and can support the next board. I know I put two of them on it, but I think that might be a bit ambitious.

OK, as you get close to the eaves, you'll have to revert to other methods, but I hope I can get up a wall with a couple of these.

Any helpful comments, please.

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I hear ya on the arthritis Malc, I've a rare (lucky me ) rhumatic auto-inflammatory condition, it's been getting worse over the last couple of years. I really struggled with parts of my build. Partly why I've been quiet of late. Won't go on too much but starting on DMARDs next month

Love catching up on the build, keep up the excellent work.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 16 Oct 2017, 17:15

Thanks, Phil,

I'm not sure about being an engineer in another life. I don't like getting oil under my nails.

Thanks, Jim.

Notwithstanding pink and yellow skies with dust from the Sahara and ash from Portuguese forest fires and the gales from hell, I invented a thingamajig.

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In fact I made two of them. So using them, I managed to get 13 boards up on the gable end of the building.

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Dead chuffed with that, I am. :D
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Doug » 16 Oct 2017, 17:43

It has been a strange day weather wise very warm, very windy & as you say Malc unusual coloured skies, on the bright side it looks like you’re doing well with the cladding :eusa-clap:
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Mike G » 16 Oct 2017, 17:50

Well you've got me a little puzzled. I'll have to go back and look at the drawing, but I put my corners on first, and worked to/ from those. I can't remember how the construction worked, but I hope you'll be able to get your corner pieces on OK with the boards in place.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 16 Oct 2017, 18:21

Thanks, Doug.

Well, Mike. I put the corners together, a bit like yours, but then I unscrewed the outer batten from the counter batten.

I put up the boards and then cut them once up. I've not got a lot of space and trying to wield 5.5m of board to get to the CMS was a bit hairy, so I squared one end of each board and put that up square to the end, then cut off the other end. Tomorrow, I'll replace the outer batten after I've painted the ends of the boards.

It would have been nice to have cut every board to exact length, if I had the space, but there was also a little bit of variation in the lengths, corner to corner, so I thought it would be better to cut to length once up.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Mike G » 16 Oct 2017, 18:45

Oh OK, that makes sense. So long as you can fix the outer part of the corner into place OK, as you say you can, then there should be no issues doing it that way.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby TrimTheKing » 17 Oct 2017, 12:34

I'm confused. I thought the idea was that the cladding was nailed at the top edge so the nails were hidden from weather and aesthetically more pleasing...

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby 9fingers » 17 Oct 2017, 13:46

TrimTheKing wrote:I'm confused. I thought the idea was that the cladding was nailed at the top edge so the nails were hidden from weather and aesthetically more pleasing...

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That is one way but tends to lead to the boards curling with time.
Putting a single fixing through the thick part of the board but slightly above the top of the board below, stops the curling whilst still allowing the board to expand and contract over its width without splitting.

I did not get mine right and have two nails per board and splits in places to remind me of the error.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Mike G » 17 Oct 2017, 15:19

TrimTheKing wrote:I'm confused. I thought the idea was that the cladding was nailed at the top edge so the nails were hidden from weather and aesthetically more pleasing...

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No, definitely not. Bob has described it, but I'll re-iterate. If your boards overlap by 25mm, then your nail should be about 30mm up from the bottom edge of the board. It thereby holds both the bottom of one board, and the top of the board below, whilst still allowing boards to expand and contract across their width.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby TrimTheKing » 17 Oct 2017, 15:20

Fairy snuff, I stand corrected.

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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 18 Oct 2017, 17:02

Two corner outer battens, shaped to cover the arris corner.

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First corner batten up.

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Second batten up. I think the pair look nice.

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Still more painting to do, but I'll do that when the rest of the cladding is up.

Long weekend off now to see the grandchildren in Chester.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Mike G » 18 Oct 2017, 17:19

Excellent Malcolm. Those corners look great.
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby ScotlandtheDave » 18 Oct 2017, 17:39

You’ve really made a cracking job of that Malcolm, great quality finish. Well done!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Malc2098 » 18 Oct 2017, 19:39

Thank you, Gents.

Long weekend off now, give my hands and joints a break!
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Re: Malcolm's Garden Workshop (Cladding time)

Postby Rod » 18 Oct 2017, 20:45

Nicely done - looking very good.

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