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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Mike G » 14 Mar 2018, 08:39

I'd suggest protecting your investment with a few bits of batten as cross-braces, Roger.

I should have looked into this thread days ago, because I would have suggested straw bales.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 14 Mar 2018, 08:50

Mike G wrote:I'd suggest protecting your investment with a few bits of batten as cross-braces, Roger.

I should have looked into this thread days ago, because I would have suggested straw bales.


Straw bales for making a storage unit ? TBH I've not seen much straw up here at all. It's sheep, sheep and more sheep.

Looking at my photo of the gazebo convinces me that my phone is absolutely lousy at taking photographs (unless it's me). Really, really dire and I thought phones were supposed to be very good these days.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Andyp » 14 Mar 2018, 09:25

Can I suggest you try and add some tie downs that go right over the roof? Maybe copious amounts of duct tape to try and hold those cover panels together. Presumably anything you put in there will be well wrapped anyway. Lets hope you can get the job done quickly.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Rod » 14 Mar 2018, 10:45

Roars in like a lion and out like a lamb, let’s hope it’s true.
Photos are good on my phone, I suppose it depends on what you have.

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Mike G » 14 Mar 2018, 11:10

RogerS wrote:
Mike G wrote:I'd suggest protecting your investment with a few bits of batten as cross-braces, Roger.

I should have looked into this thread days ago, because I would have suggested straw bales.


Straw bales for making a storage unit ? .......


Yep. It would have been perfect, and you wouldn't have woken in the night every time the wind blew.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 14 Mar 2018, 19:54

The wind kicked up this morning and so I managed to get most of what I wanted inside. Now cocooned as best I can.

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And so one year on (plus a bit) actually making a start on a 'workshop'. :eusa-dance:

Two pallets of insulation ..not quite ideal but it's a workshop not a house. The boards taper..together they give a uniform thickness but I'm a tight sod and don't want to spend more than I need to. I reckon that draughts are the killer...any insulation is a bonus.

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Being slightly thinner means that the timber I've got for the wall studding can be laid width-wise which will give me a bit more to play with when fixing the boards.

And here they are...

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Should spray up nicely although the veneer finish is so nice.... :eusa-think:

Making a start on the roof area and the first bit in place.

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Trouble is I'm being pulled in so many directions. Thought the bathroom was well on the way but noticed a large damp patch on the ceiling downstairs below the shower area. I had checked the joints but clearly not well enough. So I've had to turn the water off to the bathroom. But it nags at me.

As does the water pump in the basement. I've now got the replacement ballcock and I'm itching to replace it but prioritise, prioritise.

LOML needs her orangerie. But before I build that I need a functioning workshop. Which means I need the Hammer sitting in their warehouse. Then I need to modify it to run the three-phase on our single-phase. But before I get delivery of the Hammer I need somewhere dry.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 15 Mar 2018, 19:55

It's still standing !
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Malc2098 » 15 Mar 2018, 20:26

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 23 Mar 2018, 19:52

RogerS wrote:That's a very good point, Bob. Initial gut feel is 'No'...although the floor is very dry. Probably all that wind.

On a separate note I just wish I had a separate empty building alongside into which I could put all the junk from the garage while I insulated and boarded up the garage.


It has a DPM ! Clearly visible at the edges.

Made a start on insulating the roof.

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It's slow work and incredibly boring. I keep finding other things to do but keep forgetting that the tent has a limited lifespan. We've had some very strong winds here and one of the legs sheared but it's still standing.

So I have enough to start boarding and bought this baby..

I bought it for the same price it would cost to hire for a week.
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It will go on eBay or Gumtree when I'm done.

But I have run into a problem and need some advice please. It's where the board meets the roofline. If you look at this you will see that the edge of the board is lined up nicely with the joist.

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I know it looks out but that's the camera. And at the other end, also parallel with the joists (needs trimming).

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And here it's lined up with the rafters and joist

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and a few rafters along, also lined up nicely

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but in the rafter/joists in between these two, oh dear.... :(

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I really don't know what to do :eusa-think:
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby 9fingers » 23 Mar 2018, 20:53

So it is just the junctions between rafter and joists that are out of line?
The rafters and joists are essentially parallel?

I'd run a line across all the joists with say a minimum of 100mm between the rafter/joist junction and at 90 degrees to the rafters and joists.

Repeat on the rafters. Fit full sheets to those lines trimming as necessary. Then measure and scribe/trim offcuts line up with the errant joints.

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 23 Mar 2018, 22:14

9fingers wrote:....
Repeat on the rafters. Fit full sheets to those lines trimming as necessary. Then measure and scribe/trim offcuts line up with the errant joints.

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If you've done the first line then why do you need to do one on the rafters ?
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby 9fingers » 23 Mar 2018, 22:21

RogerS wrote:
9fingers wrote:....
Repeat on the rafters. Fit full sheets to those lines trimming as necessary. Then measure and scribe/trim offcuts line up with the errant joints.

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If you've done the first line then why do you need to do one on the rafters ?


Because the error that causes the joints to be out of line on the joists will likely cause them to be out of line on the rafters too.

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 24 Mar 2018, 09:56

Thanks Bob, that's helped clarify my thinking.

Come to the conclusion that the joists are probably level and evenly spaced. Even if they are not 100% level you just screw the board up into place. The rafters are a different matter and not helped by having rafters bolted onto rafters. It only takes a mm or so displacement at the foot, a mm or so variance in thickness (they are just sawn after all), a mm of wood twist, bend or curl down the length and/or a mm or so variance at the ridge end in terms of positioning to give the problem that I face.

So, simply not worth bothering about. Or taking the board up and down, up and down while I finesse cutouts etc. So I'll position the board to line up square with the joists and far enough away from the rafters so that it screws down flat-ish. Then I'll take a view as to what to do next once the short boards are in place on the lower section of the rafters.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby 9fingers » 24 Mar 2018, 10:30

RogerS wrote:Thanks Bob, that's helped clarify my thinking.

Or taking the board up and down, up and down while I finesse cutouts etc. So I'll position the board to line up square with the joists and far enough away from the rafters so that it screws down flat-ish.


That was really the basis of my method. whack up full (ish) sheets square to the general trend of the building, quick and easy and then f4rt around with small pieces to fill in the awkward bits as needed

Don't forget to run any wiring you need first!

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 24 Mar 2018, 10:45

Surface wiring !
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby 9fingers » 24 Mar 2018, 10:49

RogerS wrote:Surface wiring !



Shame you did not have surface plumbing of your heating system :lol: might have made life/diagnosis easier.

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 24 Mar 2018, 20:40

Had a pretty good day. Three boards up. Spent ages deciding which ends to trim as the joists aren't perfectly parallel but all seemed to come good.

Plus the slanty bits have been insulated. Not sure how I'll get the boards up. Probably put some temporary hold-ons to slot the bottom of the board in, push the rest up and get a few screws in.

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Mar 2018, 21:02

Coming along nicely.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Andyp » 24 Mar 2018, 21:15

I don’t know how to put this but I would have painted them, white, before fitting them up there.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 24 Mar 2018, 21:48

Andyp wrote:I don’t know how to put this but I would have painted them, white, before fitting them up there.


But then I wouldn't get to use my spray gun !
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Mar 2018, 22:01

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Phil » 25 Mar 2018, 07:03

RogerS wrote:
Andyp wrote:I don’t know how to put this but I would have painted them, white, before fitting them up there.


But then I wouldn't get to use my spray gun !



There will be a video clip demonstarting the use of the spay gun on the ceiling.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Andyp » 25 Mar 2018, 08:23

RogerS wrote:
Andyp wrote:I don’t know how to put this but I would have painted them, white, before fitting them up there.


But then I wouldn't get to use my spray gun !


Eh? Why? Spaying them on the floor or leaning against a wall has to be easier then doing it on the ceiling.
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Re: Garage conversion

Postby RogerS » 25 Mar 2018, 09:13

Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:
Andyp wrote:I don’t know how to put this but I would have painted them, white, before fitting them up there.


But then I wouldn't get to use my spray gun !


Eh? Why? Spaying them on the floor or leaning against a wall has to be easier then doing it on the ceiling.


If one had a clear area then perhaps. But I don't and am constantly moving stuff around inside to be able to do the ceilings. I have nowhere that I could spray them all at the same time which is by far the best (and IMO only) way to spray...what with all the cleaning and such.

Also I know that there will be gaps between some of the boards which will need filling in......with what though ? Any suggestions, guys ? Driwall filler and tape ?

And I have mastered minimising the overspray

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Re: Garage conversion

Postby Malc2098 » 25 Mar 2018, 10:14

:text-lol:


With my hair and white paint, you can't tell the overspray difference!

But, I've been wearing a hard hat to soften the blows of the tie rafters, so that's kept it off my head.

I've filled narrow gaps with a no nonsense type of cheap exterior caulk from the new sfix shop that's opened in town. (Deal on 3+)

I've filled larger gaps with expanding foam, then when cured, sliced it back level and then filled its gaps with the aforementioned caulk.

Working for me. I'll do some finished photos.....when I've finished. (I've got about a quarter to go.)
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