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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Rod » 07 Nov 2018, 00:43

I misinterpreted it as the vapour barrier.

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 09 Nov 2018, 22:06

Still at it. Did a few hours last night cutting the next 2 boards and installing 1 extra stud required for the board edge. Then tonight just had to staple the vapour sheet and screw in the prepared boards. These are old boards I’m reusing hence the dark colour (they’ve been soaked multiple times!).

The right side is to be the dirty side of the workshop ie where I will work on my motorbike’s so this is ok. The left side with the new boards is going to be a ‘clean’ room for my modelling. I also bought a cheap electric sprayer off amazon ready to whitewash the interior when all walls are up.

Back wall now done

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Andyp » 10 Nov 2018, 08:26

Certainly cracking on with it. Like the 21st century “site radio”.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 16 Nov 2018, 22:34

2 more up tonight. Flipping never-ending this job 1 more required on that side, then just the front wall to do either side of doorway.

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Edit. And 1 up before breakfast

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An overview of the roof material in clearer weather for anyone else considering epdm. It does actually have factory seams in it where they join sections. I think it looks ok though. It looks more severe in the picture than in real life, maybe caused by the low morning sun

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby DaveL » 17 Nov 2018, 08:50

It's time to get out the white paint and give the inside a good coat, that will make the shed feel bigger and you don't have lots of stuff to move about while doing it.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Malc2098 » 17 Nov 2018, 10:30

DaveL wrote:It's time to get out the white paint and give the inside a good coat, that will make the shed feel bigger and you don't have lots of stuff to move about while doing it.



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And still looking good!
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 18 Nov 2018, 21:37

Today the sun was out and it hasn’t rained in a few days so the wooden frame isn’t too wet. It was a good (maybe my only, if the weather changes) opportunity to install all the insulation and cover it up. It was a bit of a bugger to be honest. I was reusing all my old original insulation. Much of needed cutting to fit between noggins etc (use garden shears for this).

As Mike has pointed out elsewhere ‘batts’ are much better as they rigidly stay upright, but most of mine was cheaper regular stuff which is worse to work with and wants to slump. I had to put a few staples in here and there to hold it in position.

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After I had fitted it all round I stapled up the DPM. I didn’t bother with a wedge shape piece of wood - frankly out of time, and I don’t think it’ll make much difference anyway.

Corner:

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I used building paper (cheaper) on the bottom row around the building and some more pricey roof membrane on the upper half which I had left over from prior jobs a few years ago. I didn’t have enough for overall job hence the building paper. Once I had done it I wasn’t too happy with the amount of overlap and since I had some left over I added another mid section with large overlaps. Looks less neat but does the job and won’t be seen afterwards.

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I added a few battens to keep material secure from wind etc but not managed to complete them all yet. But that’s a fairly easy job to do during evenings after work now.

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Malc2098 » 18 Nov 2018, 22:36

Getting there.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 26 Nov 2018, 15:44

Insulation in front walls and OSB fitted (window cut out). All internal walls now boarded. Next job spray white:

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For the corners I've decided to do them like this. Two 2 x 1 batons on each face then a 2x2 square in the corner. The 2x2 is screwed to the 2x1s.

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This givers the featherboard an edge to butt up to:

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At the bottom I'm going to use a simple baton to space the lower board out. It leaves the board at just the right angle to clear the brick, so seems to work and it's easy enough to fit. I know long term it would rot but not too much of a problem I think, and I haven't got time to make wedges

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Got more batons up:

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Malc2098 » 26 Nov 2018, 17:58

Racing along there!

I like your corner.

Would the battens sitting onto of the brick perish through rising damp?
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby TrimTheKing » 26 Nov 2018, 18:06

Just lift the ends of the corners, and the kick out battens, up from the brickwork by 10mm using wedges and that will stop them sitting in water and rotting.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Andyp » 26 Nov 2018, 18:45

Malc2098 wrote:Racing along there!

I like your corner.

Would the battens sitting onto of the brick perish through rising damp?


I thought water rising up through cement mortared bricks by capillary action, or rising damp, was proved to be a myth many years ago.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Mike G » 26 Nov 2018, 19:29

It's a claim you often hear, Andy, but I lived opposite a house where you could watch the "tide-line" move up and down the plinth seasonally, and stop at the underside of the DPC such that there was a clear colour difference between the bricks above and below.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 26 Nov 2018, 20:30

Yes the main upright batons aren’t in contact with the wall (6cms above); as you can see in this shot

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The corner piece I could perhaps chop 1cm off so it doesn’t sit on the brick. I feel like it’s getting there now. Cheers for the moral support guys!

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I’ve just realised I can’t use the batten horizontally as in my pic as there’s no way to secure it to the frame without screwing through the DPM! So I will have to use wedges on the upright batons to kick out the lower board as per other projects!
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Andyp » 26 Nov 2018, 20:42

Mike, The example that has always stuck in my mind, from many years back, was the university, or other research establishment, who built several brick pillars several feet high with the first few courses left submerged in water in a controlled indoor environment. They could not get water to rise up the bricks. The conclusion IIRC was that poor external, or internal, coverings were the cause of “risng damp”. I have just done a quick google and there are a number of imminent surveyors, who are not paid by rising damp prevention companies, who also debunk the idea of rising damp.
I am not at all qualified to know one way or another.

Apologies for going offtopic Coolhands. Your shed looks built to last to me.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby MY63 » 26 Nov 2018, 21:19

Great job watching with interest.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby StevieB » 26 Nov 2018, 22:45

Coolhands wrote: I’ve just realised I can’t use the batten horizontally as in my pic as there’s no way to secure it to the frame without screwing through the DPM! So I will have to use wedges on the upright batons to kick out the lower board as per other projects!


Why does it need to be fixed? It will be trapped between the wall and the cladding, and sits on the brick plinth. It is not going to move! No nails or gripfill it (other adhesives are available) if you are really worried.....
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 04 Dec 2018, 00:09

Small update. On sat I completed all battens and corners ready for featherboarding & completed the main wall that gets the weather (except the eaves right at the top). Tonight I did 1/3 of the rear wall (no pic). It’s a bit time consuming initially as I am reusing all old materials so I have to sort the featherboard and find the best combination that marries up with particular uprights utilising the max length. Then I trim them to finish half on the batten so the next lot can meet up. You can just see the line towards the rear of this wall.

Need to buy some more nails. I am able to do this work in the evening by torchlight! Tonight finished at 10pm :)

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby DaveL » 04 Dec 2018, 09:55

That is making good use of the old boards, well done. I have a new head torch that is rechargeable, very useful bit of kit.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Andyp » 04 Dec 2018, 10:34

Working that late is dedication, worth it though.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Malc2098 » 04 Dec 2018, 11:01

Coming together nicely.
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Rod » 04 Dec 2018, 11:02

I like the colour scheme - coming on nicely

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 04 Dec 2018, 11:11

Rod wrote:I like the colour scheme - coming on nicely

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haha yeah the boards have 'matured' since they've been left on the ground / grass etc while I've been building the main frame. It now looks like a 300-year-old barn lol
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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Coolhands » 05 Dec 2018, 12:24

Back wall completed last night (except for eaves, to do later); it has 3 sections / lengths of featherboard. Will hopefully do front wall tonight. Pleased to report the drip rail is working well - I have also purchased guttering etc to put up at some point.

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Re: Shed rebuild

Postby Mike G » 05 Dec 2018, 12:46

It's best to stagger the joins in boards such that they aren't one above the other, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, a continuous board above a join helps holds the top of the boards stable against curling as they dry. As you have it, the bottom edge of one board curling would release pressure on the board below. This is always a potential weakness at the corners, but you avoid it where you can. Secondly, butt joints are a potential rout in for water, but if there is a continuous board below a weep, the water is more inclined to follow a path back out. With a join below it, water can easily stay inside the wall wetting the end grain, and eventually leading to failure.

It isn't a huge deal. I wouldn't suggest changing it now. However, I'd try to avoid doing this elsewhere.
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