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Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 17 May 2018, 20:47

Thought I would post this here. I started a Monmouthshire Waggon as a new project something totally different for me compared to the type of models and toys I make.
It may take a few posts to bring this up to date but here goes.

First job was to cut out the parts for the wheels and make a small story stick for the naves

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Well I decided while I had the machines set up might as well cut all the other parts well at least thickness material ready and put masking tape on the ends with the size. You can see a cutting list in one of the photos

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Out came the chop saw to cut all of the felloes 6 each for the rear wheels and 5 each for the front wheels. I laid these out in the following photo with a 6" ruler for scale

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Now I have a pile of parts next job is to turn the naves even though the front and rear wheels are different sizes the naves are all the same size which made it easier for turning

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Main parts for the wheels all taped up so as not to get mixed up

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 17 May 2018, 20:55

Time to cut out some templates this is where cerial packets come in handy.

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All the parts rough cut out

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Spent a couple of days sanding the parts and getting the shapes correct, This involved many trips back and forth from the sanding to the plan and checking they match. I have included the first photo from my last post to help show the difference between the unsanded parts

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I separated the parts up into piles each pile will be a small sub-assembly

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 17 May 2018, 20:57

On to today.

Been busy today first on the list was set up a dust extractor for the bandsaw which arrived first thing this morning.

Then it was time for more work on the waggon followed by digging three rows in the veg patch, just can't do more than that.

Anyway back to the waggon all I seemed to do today was drill some holes in one of the bed cross members as well as cut 4 through mortices. Most of the time was working out the best way to cut these, I went for a 1/16" drill bit held in the chuck of the drill press with only 1/2" sticking out.
I drilled the holes first then small rows of drill holes for the mortices as you would for a full sized ones with a bit of care and keep operating the handle on the drill press I was able to get a mortice with round ends and as they did square ones when the waggon was built I used a needle file to square the ends.
I still have a load more to do on the waggon, the plans suggest that if you do not want to go to all of that trouble just glue the pieces butt joint fashion but where is the fun in that.

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Mike G » 17 May 2018, 21:11

I love wagons. I'm watching this carefully.....
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 17 May 2018, 22:43

Mike G wrote:I love wagons. I'm watching this carefully.....


So far with this build, I certainly have learnt the different names of various parts. I am also trying to make the complete thing with Oak and brass fittings which I will have to make from brass stock material.
I know the wheels on the original were quite often made from Oak, Ash, and Elm but as I said it will all be Oak
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby DaveL » 17 May 2018, 23:40

This is looking good. It reminds me of the Life Boats that my dad built, he would buy a copy of the plains from the RNLI and then make all the parts from scratch, at 1/12 scale.
I took dad with the model of Henry Bloggs pulling boat to Cromer, they were very pleased as that was the first boat on that station and they did not have a model of it. One of the young men working there could not understand that dad had made all of it from scratch!
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Andyp » 18 May 2018, 06:11

You certainly have some patience working with such small and fiddly pieces.
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Phil » 18 May 2018, 07:38

Nice project Derek.

Take my hat off to you working with such small parts.

Will watch this project closely.
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Malc2098 » 18 May 2018, 10:00

Wow!
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 18 May 2018, 10:46

Thank you all I will post progress when I am in the shed on this build.

DaveL wrote:This is looking good. It reminds me of the Life Boats that my dad built, he would buy a copy of the plains from the RNLI and then make all the parts from scratch, at 1/12 scale.
I took dad with the model of Henry Bloggs pulling boat to Cromer, they were very pleased as that was the first boat on that station and they did not have a model of it. One of the young men working there could not understand that dad had made all of it from scratch!


I use to make model boats and have somewhere a Tyne class lifeboat which I have a scratch built. This is another one but from a kit

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 18 May 2018, 19:02

Cut the tenons on the summers and raves

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and fitted the rear cross piece as well as the front and middle cross pieces. This is the frame for the main carriage.

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Rod » 18 May 2018, 22:40

Lovely work

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Phil » 19 May 2018, 07:02

Rod wrote:Lovely work

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Malc2098 » 19 May 2018, 08:34

Plus 2!
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 19 May 2018, 23:05

Thank you guys.

Started today by cutting the chamfers on the raves.

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Then it was onto another sub-assembly which will eventually fit toward the rear of the first frame I made see the last photo of the two assemblies placed in position. This is the rear axle.
Anyway, I needed to cut out the axle and rear bed bolster to take the coupling pole and its braces, once happy with the fit I drilled holes in the coupling braces and through the coupling pole. This is quite time-consuming. Thinking about it I would rather do a full sized one less fiddly.

I still need to make cut outs for the first frame to fit onto this assembly.

This latest assembly has not been glued yet and some of the parts moved when I arranged it for the photo

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby DaveL » 20 May 2018, 07:49

You are making good progress.
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 20 May 2018, 20:11

I finished yesterday with having 4 cut outs to do on the rear bolster, I managed to complete these and stick that in place. as in the first photo

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All the parts for the rear axle complete but not stuck in place as I will have to drill a hole in parts when I have completed the front axle assembly

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Started the front axle assembly but on checking found out everything seemed to be equal from both sides so either the original waggon that the measurements were taken from was not perfect which could be the case considering when they were produced or an oversight of the drawer of the plans.
So the question is which do I use the plans or make the measurements equal across the piece in question. It is the bar running up and down on the left

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Well I made them equal and started to drill the bolt holes after which 4 mortices need to be cut, but that is for tomorrow

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 21 May 2018, 17:13

Today I cut the mortices in the front support on the front axle assembly and also drill the hounds at the far end as well as the slider bar this will aid in marking out the tenons on the hounds as they are all different. You will notice in the first picture that one of the hounds does not line up with the drawing this is where I found the measurements out. Also notice I have numbered the hounds, as well as the Splinter bar as all the angles, are either different or mirror images of each other This is all that I managed as did not feel too good and came in for a rest.

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby TrimTheKing » 22 May 2018, 10:16

Love this!!!

Where did you get the plans? This is one I’d like to look at in the future.
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 22 May 2018, 10:45

TrimTheKing wrote:Love this!!!

Where did you get the plans? This is one I’d like to look at in the future.


These were given to me by my late father but they can be bought from Hobby's along with many other horse-drawn vehicles
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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby TrimTheKing » 22 May 2018, 11:02

Thank you sir.


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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Woodbloke » 22 May 2018, 12:43

TrimTheKing wrote:Thank you sir.



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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » 24 May 2018, 20:22

Not done much the past few days but managed to get the tenons done on the end of the Hounds

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followed by some marking out.


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Drilled a hole for the dropper pin and found a piece of brass bar which will become the pin

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In this picture you can see a Hound shutter laying across where it will be fitted. I need to cut through mortice on each of the hounds which need to line up so it can pass all the way through

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Re: Monmouthshire Waggon

Postby Dalboy » Today, 19:11

Trying to get some shed time between doing the garden, which seems to take 5 times as long as it use to.

Anyway started the through mortices for hound shutter this was the first of four that needed cutting.

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Two done with the hound shutter in place

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Next up after completing all the mortices was to cut out for the front axle.

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The next job was the cut outs for the guide bolster and also for the slider bar. With those done I did a quick dry assembly of the parts. There are still more cut outs to do on this assembly.

These last three photos show the assembly the correct way up as I have been working on it upside down

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