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The Orangerie - fibreglassing FINISHED!

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Re: The Orangerie - Glulam design question

Postby RogerS » 24 Jul 2018, 15:11

So, just taken the clamps off of the frame made with M&T's. Substantially more stable, less resistant to flexing along the diagonals and not a creak from glue lines cracking as there was with the Domino. I'm referring to the glue line on the end grain of the rail where the shoulders are. When I removed the clamps with the Domino's, definite creaks as the Domino's let the joint flex slightly.

So for this application, at least, M&Ts are the way to go. But I'm still going to use Domino's elsewhere.
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Re: The Orangerie - tenons and mortices

Postby RogerS » 29 Jul 2018, 19:09

will1983 wrote:.......
I use them a lot in my day job so I only buy Class 1 tapes (Single I marked somewhere on the first 300mm), these are accurate to about ±1.1mm/10meters (±0.11mm/m)

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Re: The Orangerie - tenons and mortices

Postby will1983 » 30 Jul 2018, 10:07

RogerS wrote:Bought myself a Fisco tape. Brilliant :eusa-clap: :eusa-clap: thanks.


Your welcome mate, glad to help!

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Re: The Orangerie - Glulam design question

Postby RogerS » 08 Aug 2018, 12:56

Been a bit quiet posting so thought I'd better give an update.

The two sets of frames (five each) for the two long 8m walls are done and have a good coat of linseed oil primer.

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The end frames have had multiple redesigns as I vacillated between glulam direction. I also realised that I'd originally designed it as one piece which in hindsight was a bit dumb as it would not have been easily moveable from the workshop. So this is the final design showing the infill details - windows and doors - but not the frame...you need to imagine that !

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Oh, alright. Here's one of the outermost frames..

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Little bit of more interesting joinery here as I needed a return to tie in to the front or rear walls.

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And what about the glulams did I here you ask. Well.................I drew a blank with the structural engineer as you know who only really understood steel which is fair enough. One company started asking me about 'grades' and lots of other techie questions which were totally out of my depth. I'd sent a drawing to several companies with sizes and roof loading so I thought it would be plain-sailing. I started looking at tables myself but they all seemed to be for floor joists and so using lots of them. Then the tables started talking about shear and all sorts of other stuff that although I knew what the terms meant I hadn't a clue how to put them into practice !

I needed this

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to support this

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I was beginning to despair. Gut feel and looking a little bit at the tables plus some rumination told me that I could get away with glulams 45mm wide but my local company stocked 90 x 315mm which I kinda thought was definitely up there with the best Victorian over-engineering but beggars can't be choosers. And then .....

Out of the blue I got a phone call from a design engineer at a company that I'd contacted via their website some three weeks or more ago and forgotten all about. He asked me some more questions and then asked 'Would you like me to quote for JJ-ijoists to go round the flat part of the roof'.. Oooh...yes please :shock:

Next morning, completely detailed quote....the four glulams (45mm ones ...hah...I was right, see) plus all the hardware and JJ-ijoists and VAT and delivery for less than 1/3 the price of the four 90mm glulams. :text-bravo:

If anyone is interested in seeing how they make them

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Re: The Orangerie - Glulam design question

Postby Rod » 08 Aug 2018, 13:03

Wow that’s some machinery

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Re: The Orangerie - Glulam design question

Postby Malc2098 » 08 Aug 2018, 14:28

Nice!
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Re: The Orangerie - Glulam design question

Postby RogerS » 12 Aug 2018, 19:02

Rats...I'd planned to glue-up the last sub-frame today but when I came to do it realised that this muppet had put the Dominos on the wrong face. So Domino's are glueing up to fill the 'oles and I'll finish it tomorrow.

Weather's not doing me any favours at the moment. But at least it gets me indoors working on laying the oak flooring.
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 07:42

A window of opportunity has opened up :)

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Grab the opportunity while you can.

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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 09:24

09.20

cills cleaned up. Amazing how dirty they've got. Also discovered the downside of linseed oil paint (but may be my technique) is that it doesn't flow as well as water-based paints. So you end up with 'dirt magnets' aka brush strokes.

cills checked that they all outfall outwards and screwed down.

tools out, screws out (although not as many 5 x 80 as I'd hoped), timber supports - check, clamps - check

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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Robert » 20 Aug 2018, 09:45

I feel like we need a time lapse video for this :)
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 10:02

Rootin' for you!
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 13:16

10am

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11am

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1 pm

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Mike would have had it finished by now ;)
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Rod » 20 Aug 2018, 14:32

Did you have your weetabix?

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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 15:32

Looking good!
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 16:56

Damn bloody weather.

Rain stopped play and a panic to get protection onto all the exposed tenons. :(

I got as far as being able to check the diagonals. 5mm difference which ain't bad, I reckon, over 8m x 4m
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Malc2098 » 20 Aug 2018, 17:44

Good going!

Sweating buckets down here, washing my bike!
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Andyp » 20 Aug 2018, 18:18

RogerS wrote:Damn bloody weather.

Rain stopped play and a panic to get protection onto all the exposed tenons. :(

I got as far as being able to check the diagonals. 5mm difference which ain't bad, I reckon, over 8m x 4m


Does that mean you got all 4 walls up Roger?
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 20 Aug 2018, 19:14

Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:Damn bloody weather.

Rain stopped play and a panic to get protection onto all the exposed tenons. :(

I got as far as being able to check the diagonals. 5mm difference which ain't bad, I reckon, over 8m x 4m


Does that mean you got all 4 walls up Roger?


Afraid not. I got three up and had clamped together the fourth wall to ensure that the third wall was going to plan and in the right place.

Doesn't look too bad...got up on the step-up to check to see if the ends were in wind or not and didn't look too bad.

But....jeez...it's bloody huge !
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Andyp » 20 Aug 2018, 20:02

Hope the weather holds for you.
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 21 Aug 2018, 18:31

The Gods looked favourably on us and a window of opportunity let me get all the frames in place.

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Rain again tomorrow so it will be Thursday before I can do anymore.
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Malc2098 » 21 Aug 2018, 21:19

Coming together!
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Coley » 21 Aug 2018, 21:31

Looking very smart !

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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby RogerS » 24 Aug 2018, 12:59

Roof design by North Yorkshire Timber. Cannot recommend them highly enough. Superb service.

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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Aug 2018, 13:04

Wow! Can't wait!
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Re: The Orangerie - grab the weather

Postby Andyp » 24 Aug 2018, 13:05

Indeed. when is it coming?
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