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The Orangerie - the Waiting Game

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 09 Sep 2018, 07:52

I am seriously stuck between a rock and a hard place. This is the forecast for the coming week.

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I could go on. Just can't see any window in the weather likely to be able to at least make the roof watertight until next year. I would need to buy another roof covering as the one I've got is worn and leaks and with the wind gets more and more torn. But then you get condensation on the underside...just great for the wood. Perhaps buy loads of linseed oil paint at mega-cost and spray everything in sight ? Will write off the Wagner paint sprayer in the process...that's assuming that it's man enough to spray the linseed oil paint in the first place.

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 09 Sep 2018, 08:41

It seems almost routine around here on roofing jobs to add an extra lift on scaffolding to fit a water proof cover over the whole job so that work can continue independently whatever the weather.
Obviously this adds extra cost but might be worth investigating so you can get on with the job at your pace.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 10 Sep 2018, 07:01

I like that idea, Bob. I like it a lot ! Will be speaking to my scaffolder today.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby will1983 » 10 Sep 2018, 12:32

Shamelessly pinched someone else's photo and done a quick paint alteration to demonstrate what I mean about the additional fibreglass reinforcement.

Blue shows the likely path of possible cracking and the red the orientation of the additional reinforcement to mitigate the cracking risk.

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 10 Sep 2018, 13:11

will1983 wrote:Shamelessly pinched someone else's photo and done a quick paint alteration to demonstrate what I mean about the additional fibreglass reinforcement.

Blue shows the likely path of possible cracking and the red the orientation of the additional reinforcement to mitigate the cracking risk.

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Thanks Will...all clear now.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 15 Sep 2018, 16:39

So my scaffolder popped in this afternoon. To do a proper job is mega-bucks...wind-loading, snow-loading etc. We're talking thousands.

Or he can put up a frame for me with an apex, I supply heavy-duty tarpaulins and he fits them. Total cost I reckon about £750. Need to decide whether or not to shell out (aka throwaway) that much money. Or shell out £100 and cocoon it for the winter. :(
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 15 Sep 2018, 17:34

Well it was only an idea. :D
I'd assumed you would only need it for a few weeks at most and even in your location there should not be an issue with snow in that timescale.

Tarps can always be sold on?

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 15 Sep 2018, 17:36

9fingers wrote:...
Tarps can always be sold on?

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True but the scaffolding is £600 :o
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 15 Sep 2018, 17:44

You could possibly buy secondhand scaffolding for that money and pass it on at what you paid for it.

It is not difficult to put up especially once you get a corner up.

All depends on your schedule and what work you can usefully do over winter instead.

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby Andyp » 15 Sep 2018, 18:08

How would you cocoon it for £100. Will your cocoon be more secure than the £750 quid ridged scaffolding. What are the risks (costs) of the your cocoon failing?
Being as you will shell out 100 for the cocoon the actual cost of the ridged scaffold is only 650.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby Mike G » 15 Sep 2018, 18:36

Couldn't you make a frame out of 4x2s or 6x2s.......whatever you would have a use for afterwards, and fix your tarps to that?
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 15 Sep 2018, 21:39

Thinking about it, a cocoon won't work because it will just sag everywhere in the roof and collect water. Solution is to stick OSB over everything but that really pushes the price up.

Not confident of safely building anything out of timber on the scale needed, Mike.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 15 Sep 2018, 21:45

RogerS wrote:
Not confident of safely building anything out of timber on the scale needed


Like an orangerie you mean Roger? :lol:

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 16 Sep 2018, 09:50

9fingers wrote:
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Not confident of safely building anything out of timber on the scale needed


Like an orangerie you mean Roger? :lol:

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby Andyp » 16 Sep 2018, 12:45

I guess if you go for the ridged scaffold care will need to taken with anchoring it down.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 16 Sep 2018, 16:09

How about this?

Make two tripods from timber with the crutch at the desired ridge height. Place one at each end of the building and use ropes and pegs as guylines to tether to the ground. Boy scout tent style. Stretch a hefty rope from the ground, over the two tripods and back to the ground with strong stakes to form a trapezium shape. Drape your tarps over the ridge rope and tie down as convenient.

For belt and braces above the tarps, take ropes from each tripod to stakes at the other end on each side.

Again for the boy scouts, this is in the style of storm guys as fitted to ridge tents.

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 16 Sep 2018, 17:45

Great idea, Bob, but TBH I don't think it would last a week given the winds we have up here.

LOML has said 'Go for it' and so that's what we're going todo. It is the right thing as it means that I can get the roof finished and watertight. The current covering is on its last legs.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby Mike G » 16 Sep 2018, 20:21

How long is your building?

Scaffolders can supply those lattice/ truss beams up to 8m long, as I understand it. They can in fact be joined to longer lengths. So stick up the supports Bob suggested, but instead of a rope, hire a scaffold beam , and tension your tarp down over that. However, I wouldn't be doing that until after Wednesday, as I think there is some weather on the way to you.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 19 Sep 2018, 12:20

I'm well and truly stuffed I think. The gale force winds of 65mph + have ripped the coverings to shreds. We have heavy rain forecast for the next few days and nights. I am away on the South coast and unable do anything. SNAFU. par excellence

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby Andyp » 03 Oct 2018, 18:37

Rog, I am almost afraid to ask. Did the orangerie survive the storms?
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 03 Oct 2018, 18:39

The protective plastic sheeting was ripped to shreds. I had a brainwave and asked my builder if he could send someone along to try and recover the situation and bless him...he did. So not as bad as it could have been. Mind you, the staff beads on one of the sashes came off (only fixed lightly) letting the lower sash bang in the wind !

Scaffolders are here tomorrow...hopefully.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 05 Oct 2018, 12:31

RogerS wrote:....

Scaffolders are here tomorrow...hopefully.


No show

No phone call

No text

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 06 Oct 2018, 15:34

Hooray...he come tomorrow at 8 am.

I thought I might have blown it. My builder is a bit of a Rottweiler at times and I knew damn well that if I mentioned in passing about being given a bit of a run-around that he'd be on the phone to the scaffolder right-soonish. And so he did. But that was a few days ago and as I'd heard nowt from the scaffolder thought he'd taken the hump !

So...fingers crossed. It's a fabulous day up here today and so I'm tempted to take the covers off and do a bit but I shall wait.
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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby 9fingers » 06 Oct 2018, 15:41

Roger, Whilst I have to pleased for you that the weather is fine in your neck of the woods, Please don't send the wind and rain down here. We are having out first significantly wet day that I can recall for ages!
Getting wet each time I go down to the workshop and it just not acceptable! :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Orangerie - roof skeleton in place

Postby RogerS » 08 Oct 2018, 18:44

It was built while I was away in Newcastle.

Looks good. Only one small problem...they were supposed to fit the tarpaulins.

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They had some scaffold boards while they were building it which would have been really useful for me but they've gone as well.

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