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It's handy having a lathe...

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Those of you following my Mini-Moravian build thread will be aware that I went to Wentwood Timber on Friday and bought a couple of big planks of Sycamore.

After choosing the boards, I got the roof bars out of the back of the car and plonked them on the rails. I then rummaged around in my bag of straps etc to find the security torque wrench that came with the roof bars so that I could fix the roof bars onto the roof. The torque wrench was conspicuous by its absence. Carolyn & I emptied the car out searching for it, but it was nowhere to be found. A bit of profanity ensued.

In the end, we got the wood back home by putting the back seats partly down (so they were up at a slight angle) and loading the 2.7 metre long planks (on edge) in through the boot. As the seats were slightly tilted up, they lifted the front end of the planks about 150 mm above the gear stick so I could still drive the car. Being a Passat Estate, the car was long enough that I could close the boot with the wood in place.

Once I got back home, I had a thorough search around for anywhere else the torque wrench could be but I didn't hold out much hope. The torque wrench has always lived in the car. To the best of my knowledge it has never been removed. A few months ago my car went in to a body shop for some work. Quite a few weeks after that, I noticed that the boot liner had gone from the car - presumably having been removed when they emptied the boot to do something or other inside. I suspect now that the torque wrench probably went at the same time.

I described the torque wrench as a security torque wrench. This is one of the screws that hold the bars in place:

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Thankfully, with the bars off the car, it's quite easy to get mole grips around the outside of the screw so I could get it out. I searched around to see if I could buy a replacement torque wrench (even if it involved also buying replacement screws to match), but nowhere seems to stock them any more.

Having a lathe and a rotary broach is quite handy at times:

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I can now fit/remove the screws with a 4 mm Allen key. Now obviously it isn't secure any more, but I've never attached anything to the roof bars in a lockable manner (I don't have a roof box or anything like that): I mostly use it for carrying hardwood planks or plywood sheets. If someone wanted to nick those, they'd just have to undo the ratchet straps and leave the roof bars in place. I guess there's a risk that someone nicks the roof bars themselves, but I'd expect that risk to be quite low (you'd have to be lifting the cover flap off the roof bars to see that the screws had been modified and then you'd have to have the right size Allen key). Also, I rarely leave the roof bars on the car for very long so again the risk is low.

I did consider just removing the outer washer/shroud thing (that shields the outside of the screw from being undone with pliers), but this felt like a more elegant solution and it's easier to use a t-handle Allen key than a pair of pliers. Also, if I can figure out the torque setting of the original torque wrench (I haven't found it yet), I could choose to use a torque wrench with an Allen key bit to tighten it to the correct torque.
 
Your shop built lathe has been a good addition. I have had one for 5 years and it gets used a few times a year.
 
Your shop built lathe has been a good addition. I have had one for 5 years and it gets used a few times a year.
That wasn't the home-made lathe: metal mangling is strictly a job for the Harrison M250.

I'd change my garage....

Thankfully, it's not a garage I have to use often (it's a body shop specifically rather than a general garage). The car went in for work after my other half reversed it into a wall. They did a really good job of repairing the damage.

In their defence, I haven't rung them yet to see if they've still got it (not a very strong defence seeing as they should have put everything they took out back in). When I spotted the missing boot liner it had been nearly a month since the work was done and I decided not to bother chasing. This time I will get in touch (even though it's been several months now); I was back too late on Friday to do so then so I'll pop in on Monday. Adding the hex holes took about 10 minutes so I figured I might as well just get on with it.
 
Good job I have never had the need for a rotary broach. Is it from a kit
 
Ooh I want one of those gizmos. No idea why or if it would ever be used but when was that issue ever important. :unsure:
I wish it had been £500 rather than £50 and so be out of reach. :ROFLMAO:
 
Ooh I want one of those gizmos. No idea why or if it would ever be used but when was that issue ever important. :unsure:
I wish it had been £500 rather than £50 and so be out of reach. :ROFLMAO:
In some ways it's a bit of a strange thing. When the kit arrives, you'll see there's hardly anything to it (not very many bits of metal!). To buy all the parts wouldn't cost very much at all. What you're paying for is the design (which is excellent) and the carefully written instructions (which are also excellent). I really enjoyed the process of machining the parts: the instructions were sufficiently clear that it was just a pleasant bit of time with lathe and mill without much hard thinking!
 
Presumably, it's totally impractical just to remove the special bolts and replace them with some ordinary, readymade allen socketed ones... ;)
 
Yes, it's from this kit from Hemingway. The kit is excellent: fairly straightforward to make, but only because the instructions are extremely clear. I've used it loads and would recommend it wholeheartedly.
I guessed it would be one of theirs. I am just about to make some Kant clamps (Not hemingway) as I need some for part of the build I am working on
 
Presumably, it's totally impractical just to remove the special bolts and replace them with some ordinary, readymade allen socketed ones... ;)
I genuinely did consider it. I offered the removed screw up to an M6 nut and it wouldn't go on, despite seemingly being 6 mm diameter and 1 mm pitch. Being VW, it would be a bit odd if it's UN* or BS* and it would be severely undersize if so (and BSF is the only one with a close pitch and that seems extremely unlikely for a 2013 VW). At that point I decided it was more hassle than I could be bothered with to try to figure out what was going on and the rotary broach was a much quicker option.
 
Ah, security by obscurity perhaps? IIRC, 0BA is 6mm diameter and 1mm pitch, but doesn't fit a metric nut. But that would be a surprising choice.
 
Some positive news (that makes all my efforts a bit pointless)!

I popped into the body shop on my way home from work today and (despite the work being done at the start of April), they still had the torque wrench (and the boot liner and a few other things I hadn't realised were missing!)

It seems they needed to empty the boot out so they pulled the boot liner out along with everything that was on it. For reasons unknown they didn't put it back and later weren't sure which car it came from so they just kept hold of it. All safely back in the car now, so that's good.

As I said, it makes my efforts at the weekend utterly pointless, but I'll bung a 4 mm Allen key in the glove compartment and then if I ever can't find the torque wrench I'll have a fall-back option.
 
At least you got it all back. I made a special washer for my little engine build the other day dropped it and lost it made a second sods law I will find it now
 
In some ways it's a bit of a strange thing. When the kit arrives, you'll see there's hardly anything to it (not very many bits of metal!). To buy all the parts wouldn't cost very much at all. What you're paying for is the design (which is excellent) and the carefully written instructions (which are also excellent). I really enjoyed the process of machining the parts: the instructions were sufficiently clear that it was just a pleasant bit of time with lathe and mill without much hard thinking!
Hemingway have a long-standing reputation among metal stranglers, model railway buffs and modellers like our own correspondent.
I particularly covet their "Gibralter" toolpost....I just have to save up for a lathe big enough to take it....Their Woden tool grinder kit is a thing of beauty....drool....
 
If you're ever minded to make the bolts 'secure' again, just bang an interference fit ball bearing into the hex.
 
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