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Yet another box WIP

Dr.Al

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Since I can't make any more progress on the Sycamore drawer box, I thought I'd get started on something else. I haven't really decided what that something else is going to be, but I've got this bit of American Black Walnut that I bandsawed in half before coming away:

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I planed the two bits smooth and equal thickness (about 9 mm):

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They got marked up to give four box sides, with the longer bits being 220 mm long and the shorter bits 136 mm:

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After sawing roughly to size, I cleaned up the ends on the shooting board:

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After trimming the wany edge off and planing that edge as well, I'm left with four planks:

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Once again I'm not sure what the box is going to be four; it may end up just being a tray (I could do with a tray for storing pencils and such-like on my desk at work) or it may gain a lid of some sort; we'll see.

I'd quite like to do some sort of different joinery for the corners: I've done loads of dovetails recently (and loads of dovetailed boxes in general) so it would be nice to do something different for a change. I'm not sure what that means though, so I need to figure it out before I can do any more.
 
Have a look at Mitch Peacock on YouTube for some challenging or decorative variations:





Plenty more on his channel or in his book

 
Thanks Andy. I've brought his book with me in case I fancied trying some DT variations but at the moment I'd rather do something completely different. I might read the titles of some of the videos but I really don't want to be watching videos (youtube or otherwise!) on holiday: my screen-time when I'm on holiday is just forum stuff & nothing else if I can manage it.
 
It's extremely hot today and I'm someone who copes much better with 13° than 30°, so I've retreated indoors. Thankfully there's a spacious wooden-floored lounge area with a reasonable north-facing window, so I've still got somewhere I can work on the box without having to worry about getting plane shavings out of a carpet!

The first thing I did today was take the last slice of Sycamore (the other four slices were used on the drawer box I'm making) and plane it to an even thickness, which ended up being about 3 mm:

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Here are all the bits for the box:

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I've been pondering what to do with these walnut pieces over the last couple of days while we've been exploring the local area. In the end I decided to make a simple tray, with angled sides. A few months ago I did a few practice joints for a similar sort of tray. That one was going to be a bit smaller and with compound-angle dovetails (something I never quite got the hang of, although I've since bought Mitch Peacock's Dovetail book, so perhaps that will help me be more successful).

In the meantime however, this one is going to be much simpler. I'm going to make it with splined mitred joints, but still with the 15° angle on each side. After having recently completed the mini-moravian bench with its compound angles, I knew that I needed to be careful to make sure that the angles I was working with were correct. A quick CAD model confirmed my suspicions: for a 15° side splay, I needed a 46.92° mitre angle (rather than 45°) and a 104.51° end angle (rather than 105°). The latter is probably close enough not to matter, but that 2° error on the mitre angle is important.

I used a bit of simple trigonometry to mark up some reference lines on a scrap of plywood:

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I'm under no illusion that I'll be cutting mitres at 46.92°, but hopefully they'll be closer to 47° than 45° and that'll be good enough.

After setting my sliding bevel to the reference angle, I spent some time tweaking the position of the top support piece on the shooting board until a mitre shot on the end of a bit of scrap matched the sliding bevel angle. The adjustability in the top support position wasn't enough to achieve the required angle, but it was close enough that I could deal with the rest by tweaking the angle of the blade in the home-made block plane.

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I also cut and planed another bit of the same off-cut to the 15°-ish angle required for the end angles and planed the mitre on the ends of that as well:

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Shooting one of the ends of each piece was then quite straightforward (I didn't even bother to saw it roughly to shape, just attacked it with the block plane to take it all the way from square to mitred and angled):

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The other one was a bit more fiddly as I needed an extra spacer between the angled piece and the fence and it was a bit awkward making sure they both stayed put. Nevertheless, it didn't take long:

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All pieces with their ends shot:

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I was really pleased that the first test assembly (with masking tape on the corners) looked really promising, with the mitres fitting snugly.

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The next job was to sort out the top and bottom edges (which you might be able to see in the last photo were square to the sides rather than parallel with the top of the chest). To help with that, I dug out a bit of ash from the wood bag and planed it at 15°:

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When I've travelled with my toolchest in the past, I haven't brought screws with me as I generally don't use them for dovetailed boxes. However, this time, I'd brought some short stainless screws in case I decided to screw the drawer supports to the bench stretchers (which I did). Those screws came in handy today. I used one to fix the mitred test piece (trimmed smaller) to the ash block as a stop. I could then use the #4 on its side to plane the bottom edge of each piece:

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Before doing the top edges, I screwed another couple of scraps onto the ash block:

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Ploughing the groove for the tray's base took a bit of thought. The grooves needed to be parallel to the top and bottom rather than perpendicular to the inside faces. That ruled out using the depth stop on the little plough plane.

Instead, I flipped the vice over so that it could act as a stop and then set its height above the chest surface using my beloved edge distance gauge thing:

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The ash block is sandwiched between the raised vice face and a clamped bit of plywood and I could then plough down until the plane's fence hit the vice top, hence acting as a stop that could be adjusted by moving the vice face up and down as required:

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The first groove ploughed:

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The first one was a bit fiddly as I needed to use my right hand to apply downward pressure to the right-hand (top) side of the walnut piece (to stop it tilting down as a result of the ash piece being narrower than the walnut piece). That left only my left hand to control the plane. It worked, but it was awkward. For the other three, I asked Carolyn to press down on the walnut piece so I could have both hands on the plane and that was much quicker and easier.

With the grooves ploughed, I could do another trial fit with the (shot to size) base:

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Then it was time for gluing:

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It's now glued together with lots of masking tape holding it together:

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Once the glue has had time to dry, I'll have a think about some splines to reinforce those mitre joints.
 
Wow!

It must be really hard deciding in advance which extra bits and pieces to take with you so that you still have some freedom of choice on exactly what you make, from which bits of timber.

I was almost expecting there to be a cunningly prepared 3D printed angle guide to pop up, but no, so extra credit for getting such smart results without one. :)
 

Thanks Andy.

It must be really hard deciding in advance which extra bits and pieces to take with you so that you still have some freedom of choice on exactly what you make, from which bits of timber.

That would probably be true if I did think about it in advance! I'm absolutely certain it would makes things easier if I did.

When we went away this time last year, Carolyn was (as well as the M.E. of course), recovering from a bad car accident so I was fairly sure I'd have a lot of time on my hands. For that trip, I brought wood allocated for the two drawer box & also wood allocated for a couple of tea caddies, plus some extra (some of which eventually became a simple little mitred box).

This time round, work was manic in the lead-up to the break & I just didn't have the "head space" to plan anything & it has all been a bit more haphazard. Planning some boxes (but perhaps having some spare wood in hand just in case) is definitely helpful as I can just get on with it while I'm away.

I was almost expecting there to be a cunningly prepared 3D printed angle guide to pop up, but no, so extra credit for getting such smart results without one. :)

Thanks Andy! The printer is really handy for knocking up little angle guides, jigs & such like, but it is nice to know I can do at least some things without it!
 
This morning, I took the masking tape off...

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... and then put some more back on! The tape in the next picture is there just to give me an approximate guide for where to saw to when cutting the slots for the reinforcing splines. I used a bit of scrap wood that looked a sensible thickness as a reference, pushing the saw blade down onto the scrap piece and then moving saw and scrap back and forth together to cut the first side of the spline hole:

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I then flipped the tray over and did the same again:

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To take account of the saw kerf, I took a few plane shavings off the scrap wood. I then used the spline-to-be (an off-cut of the Sycamore I used as the base) as an additional spacer...

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... allowing me to saw the other side of the spline hole:

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To clean out the spline socket, I clamped the tray to the back of the tool chest (it's much too big for the maximum depth of the vice):

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The waste could then be chiselled out with a 2 mm chisel:

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Seven of the pockets went well. One ended up quite a bit bigger: I think I must have put the rib at the back of the saw on the spacer piece, resulting in it tilting down when sawing.

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To deal with that, I just made all of the spline sockets at the bottom the same size as that one, resulting in four thick spline sockets at the bottom and four thinner ones at the top. Of course, that meant that I also needed some thicker splines.

Having retreated indoors due to the heat and humidity, I clamped the spacer piece in the vice and used the Dozuki to resaw it thinner:

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The cut-off bit that had been resawn then got planed down to thickness, before chopping it up into bits:

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After going round each pocket and making the ends of the spline sockets vertical (rather than parallel with the mitred corners: that means the splines can have square edges which is much easier) and generally tweaking everything until it looked good, glue was applied to the inside of the spline sockets and the faces of the splines and then they were shoved into place:

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The little pen marks you can see in that image are to show which is the rough-sawn edge (one edge is planed smooth to help produce a clean fit against the corners of the socket).

Tomorrow (my last full day here) I'll hopefully get those splines cut off and planed smooth and then, all being well, the tray will be complete.
 
Madness..........sheer madness! No-one in their right minds imposes angled mitres on themselves even in a fully equipped workshop, let alone on holiday working on top of a box. Go and lie down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on your forehead until you feel better.
 
Madness..........sheer madness! No-one in their right minds imposes angled mitres on themselves even in a fully equipped workshop, let alone on holiday working on top of a box. Go and lie down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on your forehead until you feel better.
Must have been the heat 😆
 
This morning, I started by sawing off the bulk of the waste with the Dozuki. This was done with one hand holding the tray down on top of the chest: it didn't feel like it needed clamping at all.

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That left a rough finish and a millimetre or two of waste to get rid of.

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That got pared flush with a chisel...

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... and then I took a light pass with a smoothing plane:

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That's it for now. I expect I'll end up doing a bit more smoothing planing when I get home: it's bound to get the odd little knock in transit. Once I'm home, I'll do any final tidying that I think is necessary and then apply some oil.

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A much more productive holiday than the one I’m having.

I think Mike is jealous and will secretly be planning how to convert his trailer into a mini workshop.😀
 
Yeah Mike could make a space in the kitchen for his electric miter saw
A much more productive holiday than the one I’m having.

I think Mike is jealous and will secretly be planning how to convert his trailer into a mini workshop.😀
 
I'm back home again now. I haven't had a lot of time free to finish off the two boxes, but I have applied two coats of Mike's Magic Mix to the mitred tray:

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I think this tray is going to become a home for the (three) remote controls in the lounge, which currently live in a rather shabby wicker basket.
 
Nice work. Challenging too. Shows an increasingly high level of skill Al. Is there a bit of glue overspill here and there or is it a trick of the light?

Based on the photos the contrast is lost a bit on the splines.
 
Nice work. Challenging too. Shows an increasingly high level of skill Al. Is there a bit of glue overspill here and there or is it a trick of the light?

I don't think so. I think some of the oil mix is seeping around the base though (visible in the top right of the last photo): I'll be careful to wipe all of it off on the last coat. I couldn't see any glue overspill.

Based on the photos the contrast is lost a bit on the splines.
Agreed. The sycamore end grain darkened a heck of a lot with the oil.
 
Get your hands on some holly if you can. The old boys used to bleach it a bit as well to make it stay super white. Your woodwork journey is really good. Hat is off to you.
 
That is lovely. It so happens I've been reading about how to calculate all the angles angles for a box like that, which I've known as a "hopper".
 
That's really well done. I did a tray like this with dovetails and I found it fiendishly difficult.
 
That's really well done. I did a tray like this with dovetails and I found it fiendishly difficult.
Thanks Nick. I had a go with compound angle dovetails last year and also found it fiendishly difficult! It probably didn't help that I also used it as my first attempt at cutting pins first (rather than tails first), but the joinery wasn't great. The bits are still sitting on my bench waiting for me to summon up the enthusiasm for another go!
 
In case it's of interest, this is an excerpt from a yet-to-be-published WIP I started when I was working on the (currently on hold) compound angle dovetail tray I mentioned. It shows how simple it is to get the angles in CAD. It takes seconds and can easily be tuned to whatever shape you want.

Excerpt begins...

With a shape like this (where the splay angle is the same on the sides and the ends), the quickest way to model it is to start with a simple rectangle (the dimensions don't matter) and extrude it using the draft setting. A normal extrusion of a rectangle will create a cuboid, but the draft setting adds a taper angle. This is what it looks like in (the free on-line tool) Onshape:

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You can then select a side face and the top (or bottom) face and confirm that the splay (draft) angle is correctly showing 70° (90° minus the intended splay angle):

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Having confirmed the model is right, it is simply a case of selecting two edges to determine the angle on the ends of the boards, in this case 71.118°, giving the offset from a right-angle as 18.882°, which I'll call 18.9° as this is woodwork and that's close enough!


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Here is a way to determine the angles using a framing square. No computer required. These small Japanese squares are handy for this.

For the face cut, lay out a triangle with a convenient rise/run. Here it is 10/3, which is about 16 degrees. Lay it out on the face of the board with the framing square.

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Then drop a right angle into a 10/3 test triangle, going from the hypotenuse to the right angle. Measure the length of the hypotenuse of the new triangle. The larger you draw the triangle the more accurate your measure.

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To get the mitre angle, set out a 10/9.58 triangle on the edge of your board.

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If you want to know the mitre angle, it is the arc tangent of 10/9.58.

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