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Record 071

Postby Andyp » 30 May 2022, 10:43

Look what I liberated from my father’s workshop at the weekend. Belonged to my maternal grandfather who passed away 40 + ago. Dad says he has never used it.

One of the cutters seems to have been nearly ground away to nothing and my grandfather seems to have made an auxiliary base, why?
Is it usual for one of the cutters to be detachable from it’s post?
All the bits are there and in working order.
Not at all sure, when, if and for what I would use it but better in my workshop than his at the moment.

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Re: Record 071

Postby Lurker » 30 May 2022, 10:54

Nice find.
Unusual for them to be complete and being your grandfathers makes it extra special.
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Re: Record 071

Postby Malc2098 » 30 May 2022, 11:04

Nice.
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Re: Record 071

Postby Doug » 30 May 2022, 11:28

I can’t talk about the Stanley Andy but the Veritas router plane is a copy of the 71, mine has detachable cutters so perhaps the Stanley did to.

http://www.veritastools.com/products/page.aspx?p=112

As for the base it’s handy when you need a bigger surface area for more stability, nice tool to inherit :eusa-dance:
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Re: Record 071

Postby Raymedullary » 30 May 2022, 11:56

Nice find. Having two is a nice luxury. A base helps with stability. A somewhat overlooked use for these is trimming tenons to thickness... leave a bit on the end of the tenon the full thickness of the rail and use to run the router plane on in effect cutting as it were a halving but then cut off thus exposing the tenon.
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Re: Record 071

Postby Argus » 30 May 2022, 12:26

I have a later (mid 1970s) version and it's one of those tools that is never off the bench for those who like 'em or never on it for those who don't..... brilliant bit of kit in my estimation.

Often written off because they can be a little involved to sharpen.....there's a knack.

They came, I believe, with three cutters. 1/2", 1/4" and what was termed a 'grounding' or smoothing cutter - the one with the detachable base. I think that the Veritas straight replacement blades will also fit.

I've yet to find a use for that pointed cutter in 40 odd years, though the 1/2 inch one is seldom out of the plane. It's the only one that sits flat on the work and I've no idea why it is detachable; the others are slightly tipped so that only the cutting edge is in contact.
So, it looks as if the ground out one was made for a specific purpose. Lots of Allen keys have been re-purposed for this.

Good luck, these things have gained some value since a well-known-online-wood-worker sang their praises.
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Re: Record 071

Postby Andyp » 30 May 2022, 16:14

The 405 was grandad’s too and it has had an occasional outing.

They go well together don't you think?

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I’ve no idea how old they are, I would guess 50’s , 60’s. But could be pre -war as he was born in 1900
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Re: Record 071

Postby Malc2098 » 30 May 2022, 16:49

Really nice.

Takes me back to my woodwork teacher's office, where I used to nick his tobacco. :oops:

These would be on his shelf!
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Re: Record 071

Postby Vann » 30 May 2022, 16:57

Andyp wrote:...I’ve no idea how old they are, I would guess 50’s , 60’s. But could be pre -war as he was born in 1900

According to David Lynch's recordhandplanes.com the 071 was made from 1932 to 1972, and the 405 from 1933 to 1982 (with all cutters in a plastic wallet from 1965).

And from what I can gather from his comments on packaging, the 071 cardboard box dates from WW2 to 1962.

That's the closest I can get - sorry.

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Re: Record 071

Postby AJB Temple » 31 May 2022, 07:48

They are nice. Especially as you have the boxes.

I bought one of the plough planes from the bay a few years ago. I've never used it. In this forum the old hand toolery is de rigeur and super cool, but if I want to do grooving or slotting or chamfering I still automatically reach for the electric router. Born lazy!
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Re: Record 071

Postby Andyp » 31 May 2022, 10:56

Of course they are of more sentimental value than practical use but there is no point in that 071 sitting at my father's place any longer.
When I get the time I will use it just to get the feeling of using a tool that my grandfather once used.
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Re: Record 071

Postby AndyT » 31 May 2022, 12:00

Just to set the record straight, they are both very useful, practical and highly desirable tools!
I have tried several different ploughs/combination planes and the 405 is the best.
I only have a Stanley 71 but that is also one of the tools I enjoy using most.
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Re: Record 071

Postby Just4fun » 31 May 2022, 17:44

I bought mine about 3 years ago and have been amazed at how often I use it. I also enjoy using it so a double win.
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Re: Record 071

Postby droogs » 31 May 2022, 20:27

I have a #405 and a #71 they are both very very useful, exp the #71 for getting tenons and rebates/grooves to the correct depth
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