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Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 08 Jun 2020, 11:38

I got a request to make another one of these for a friend of my eldest daughter.

I've made about a dozen of these over the years the one on the left I think maybe 19 years old!




Always a delight to see the little man make it to the bottom without getting stuck or falling off. Spacing the pegs and getting the length of the arms spot on is critical.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Malc2098 » 08 Jun 2020, 11:40

Love it!

Now I've got grandchildren, I'd love to do one for them.

Got any plans of those critical lengths and spacings?
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 08 Jun 2020, 12:22

Malc,
I am not sure about the legalities or ethics in sharing copyrighted plans on a public forum.

There are in a book "Working Wooden Toys" by Marion Millett.

However I found the measurements on the plans in the book to be inaccurate so I will PM you my amended dimensions.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby RogerS » 08 Jun 2020, 22:02

Andyp wrote:I got a request to make another one of these for a friend of my eldest daughter.

I've made about a dozen of these over the years the one on the left I think maybe 19 years old!

[youtube]iocOFSghbEw[/youtube]

Always a delight to see the little man make it to the bottom without getting stuck or falling off. Spacing the pegs and getting the length of the arms spot on is critical.



Oh love it :eusa-clap: ...can I have a set as well please ?
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Robert » 08 Jun 2020, 22:34

Can't you just post the important measurements without any more design detail?

If you really think you can't then I'll have a copy too please :)
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 09 Jun 2020, 07:06

I dunno Robert but I have PM’d you both.

Don't forget to share the video when done.
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Postby Robert » 09 Jun 2020, 15:43

I said to Andy by PM I'd have a go at drawing this in fusion 360 as a practice project.

Went a bit smoother than expected

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I'd like to check the movement in the drawing but that may be beyond me... but I'll have a go sometime.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Malc2098 » 09 Jun 2020, 15:49

:text-bravo:

Dimensions?! :D
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Robert » 09 Jun 2020, 15:56

I got the peg pitch across to pitch up ratio from Andy but the size of the man is guesswork from a picture.

Happy to share my sizes once I know it will work.

This is the sort of thing you just make and trial and error until it works. I'm trying to learn fusion 360 so used it as a learning exercise. There are still a lot of things in fusion that sometimes work and other times don't and it takes a few goes to understand why. Too much in one go = headache :)
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Postby Malc2098 » 09 Jun 2020, 16:17

I have those sort of headaches, too! :D
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 09 Jun 2020, 17:19

Sorry Robert is there not enough info on this to help with the wee chaps dimensions?

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The critical dimension is from the arm pit to the opposite arm's finger tip. Just a wee bit less than the diagonal distance between left and right hand pegs.
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Postby RogerS » 09 Jun 2020, 18:06

I wonder if the radius of the armpit is also critical ?
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Woodbloke » 10 Jun 2020, 10:45

Andyp wrote:The critical dimension is from the arm pit to the opposite arm's finger tip. Just a wee bit less than the diagonal distance between left and right hand pegs.


I'm quite interested to do a Ziggidy Man as a fun project for No.1 son, but can you clarify how far is a 'wee bit'...a gnat's todger or a smidge more? - Rob
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 10 Jun 2020, 12:11

Bob,
Very difficult to quantify. For instance the wee chap will get stuck or fall off if sent down face down, not head first but face facing the board. My accuracy with the scroll saw, and maybe even tape measure :) means I make it to the pattern, making sure not to cut inside the line, then carefully sand and scrap until it works.

Good luck and don’t forget to post a vid.
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Postby Robert » 10 Jun 2020, 14:13

I now have a slight headache but I've learnt a few new tricks.

[youtube]hJd7fyqCQWs[/youtube]

There are probably ways to constrain the movement but the above is just me recording a sequence of moves where I just drag and rotate it with the mouse. It would pass through the pegs if i moved it there so no detection of components overlapping.

Looks like it might work anyway...
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 10 Jun 2020, 15:02

Brilliant Robert. Just needs some sound effects. :) :)
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Malc2098 » 10 Jun 2020, 15:49

Like. Like. Like.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Robert » 10 Jun 2020, 16:17

So... I can make a 'drawing' from 360 and output it as a PDF...so I did.

Then I used the print (print original size option in Acrobat) as a template and drilled a bit of scrap then stuck it to a bit of ply and cut the man out.

And it didn't work. I can see why and I'll change the man drawing and print it again (basically what Andy has already said). Also need to be much more accurate with the drilling. If and when I get it sorted I'll share the PDF. Not today though :)
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby DaveL » 10 Jun 2020, 16:52

Andyp wrote:Brilliant Robert. Just needs some sound effects. :) :)
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Robert » 11 Jun 2020, 12:51

I've altered my drawing and made a new PDF.

I printed the pdf using the 'actual size' print setting and cut the man out again on 6mm ply a bit roughly.

using my crude test pegs which is a bunch of 6mm screws in a lump of MDF....It now works :)


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Here is the PDF

http://www.argand.co.uk/Temp/Ziggedy.pdf

That will probably open in your web browser but I'd suggest saving the file and printing using Acrobat or similar to make sure you have the actual size print option.

Now I just need to make a proper one. I'm trying to work out how much I can get my young assistant doing safely as I think he'd enjoy the making as well as using. Got time to think as i await the dowel pegs from amazon.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Malc2098 » 11 Jun 2020, 13:27

Brilliant, Robert.

THanks, ir came out actual size!

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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 11 Jun 2020, 13:49

Very good Robert. His head will also get stuck if it is too big. I think the instructions in the book recommend a compass for marking the peg holes.
Why are those armpit to finger tip measurements not the same? Although I am sure 17 hundredths of a mm is within tolerance.

Oh and don't forget the extra peg at the bottom to stop him falling off.
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Postby Robert » 11 Jun 2020, 14:08

Andyp wrote:Why are those armpit to finger tip measurements not the same? Although I am sure 17 hundredths of a mm is within tolerance.

Oh and don't forget the extra peg at the bottom to stop him falling off.


As you guessed it is a quirk of the drawing software. There is probably a way to override the sizes but it is just where I clicked for the size and the position I placed the peg outline in the armpit.

Fusion 360 is such a huge program that I've barely scratched the surface of what it can do. There are still things that mystify me as to why they work sometimes and not other times. I do feel I can draw with it now though and some of the mists have cleared but I'm a long way from being good at it.

I was thinking of drilling for the pegs on the drill press with a fixed down base board under the peg board. Once the first hole is drilled and the drill is over the second position diagonally, drill through the first hole into the baseboard and fit a peg is slightly smaller than the peg hole. Then drill, flip the board over, last hole on the peg, drill, repeat...
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Andyp » 11 Jun 2020, 15:24

Robert,
I managed quite well just marking the two parallel lines then just measuring and marking and running the board against a fence on the bench drill.
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Re: Ziggidy Man

Postby Woodbloke » 11 Jun 2020, 19:47

So I mentioned that I would send a 'Ziggedy Man' up to No.1 son in Londres and it now transpires I have to make another for SWIMBO's little bean counting office (the old coal hole :lol: ) - Rob
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