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Postby sunnybob » 15 Mar 2022, 20:46

I've been asked to make a watch display box,
Not a big deal, only for 5 watches with a hinged up glass insert lid. The box holds no terrors for me.
But the inner separate sections and dividers will most likely be black leather covered, and thats something I havent yet attempted.
I can get 1.5 mm car seat leather, but what would be the best adhesive, and method for covering those little square boxes?
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby NickM » 15 Mar 2022, 21:07

Custard wrote a very good guide to box lining over on "the other place".

He uses double sided tape to stick the leather (he uses pig suede which is a bit thinner than the stuff you're talking about) and glues the card to the box with copydex (ammonia, PVA stuff).

I've done it a few times and it works really well (but is a fiddly business).
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Phil Pascoe » 15 Mar 2022, 21:38

Remembering that thread, 1.5mm is two or three times thicker than is ideal.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Cabinetman » 15 Mar 2022, 21:54

Phil Pascoe wrote:Remembering that thread, 1.5mm is two or three times thicker than is ideal.

Probably but this about 1mm, reusing an old leather jacket, over neoprene to make it nice and squidgy, I think I used superglue for this shotgun bracket. Ian
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 16 Mar 2022, 07:51

I mentioned 1.5 mm from memory (not as good as it once was), but I can get off cuts from a car seat refinisher. I cant believe its as thin as 0.5 mm though.

I cant get decent double sided tape here, for some reason one side is strong, the other will peel off with the slightest assistance.

I've been surfing for hinges and catches, and for decent stuff (rather than my usual cheapo trinket box stuff) thats looking like 50 quids worth, which is more than the cost of the wood (and she wants bubinga).
I think I might have to quote high and see what response I get.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Woodbloke » 16 Mar 2022, 09:53

sunnybob wrote:
I've been surfing for hinges and catches, and for decent stuff (rather than my usual cheapo trinket box stuff) thats looking like 50 quids worth, which is more than the cost of the wood (and she wants bubinga).
I think I might have to quote high and see what response I get.

I think Michael (MY63 of this parish) is the top bloke to ask about this sort of thing; might be worth a PM? Always better to quote high, or highish IMO as if you don't, you're liable to be out of pocket when the job gets handed over. If the customer is after bubinga (which is now I believe on the cites list of restricted timbers here in the UK,) it might also be worth having a natter with her to see if she's up for some decent quality hardware - Rob
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 16 Mar 2022, 11:10

She has bought from me before, and I know a reasonable price wont scare her off, but shes set on bubinga to match other stuff she has.
I have some bubinga left, and last time I was in the woodyard they still had some planks. Wish I could afford a thousand or two to buy their stock :lol:
My problem now is that I cant buy decent small box hardware here, and have only been back a week from England where I could have had it delivered next day. That will add a couple of weeks to the job.

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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Lons » 16 Mar 2022, 19:54

What about flocking as a possible alternative to leather if it's something she'll accept, I don't think it's cheap but certainly less fiddly. I haven't done any but have watched it being applied.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 16 Mar 2022, 20:26

Lons,
Not sure where you got the idea it is expensive, its the cheapest finish you can get.
I have been using flocking for many years now. Its OK for the inside of cheap and medium priced boxes, but it is not up to a posh display case. especially on a small removable part that will be handled often like a watch display pad.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Lons » 16 Mar 2022, 23:53

sunnybob wrote:Lons,
Not sure where you got the idea it is expensive, its the cheapest finish you can get.
I have been using flocking for many years now. Its OK for the inside of cheap and medium priced boxes, but it is not up to a posh display case. especially on a small removable part that will be handled often like a watch display pad.

Fair enough Bob, I have Scottish blood somewhere in my family. :lol: I clearly have it wrong as I was under the impression it's durable
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 17 Mar 2022, 06:29

I wouldnt call it "durable". It is very economical though, you can do box drawers for just a few pennies each.
It looks good inside bandsaw box drawers and is fine for surfaces not often handled, but its knobbly, and is susceptible to unsightly wear if the surface is constantly being touched and scuffed.
This box will have compartments for watches and the watches will be mounted over sponge filled pull out sections. Definitely a leather or similar situation.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Woodbloke » 17 Mar 2022, 09:03

sunnybob wrote: Definitely a leather or similar situation.


You might also consider Alcantara which is a leather like, very high quality faux suede, much used in the top end motor trade and available in a huge range of colours - Rob
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 17 Mar 2022, 09:28

I suspect that wont be available here, and I'm very hopeful of scrap leather pieces at the best possible price :eusa-whistle: 8-)
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby MY63 » 26 Mar 2022, 18:21

Hi Bob sorry I missed this, I have been consumed by the work on my daughters flat.
Leather wise goat or lamb (nappa) will be your best option 0.5mm if you can get it, I pay around £25 per skin for goat Lamb might be a little more £28 to £30 and it tends to be slightly stiffer.
I will be placing an order next week if you want me to add one for you I dont know what the cost of shipping to Cyprus is. There is a good tannery in Greece I can get details if you wish.
Alcantara is a brand name like Goretex and is priced accordingly.
I dont know what others do but I always make inserts from card which I wrap in suede or leather.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 26 Mar 2022, 19:42

Michael, thanks for the reply.
That cost is prohibitive for me.
I only have a small watch presentation box to make so buying skin from the UK would surpass the value of the box. I try not to get into this kind of thing, preferring wood finish, so no point in even buying it and putting it by for future use.
My current plan is to get free scraps from a car upholsterer, hopefully 1 mm or less.
If that fails I dont have a viable pan B at the moment :eusa-naughty: 8-)
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby Just4fun » 26 Mar 2022, 21:16

sunnybob wrote:If that fails I dont have a viable pan B at the moment :eusa-naughty: 8-)

I lined a small box with a chamois leather car wash cloth I bought at a local "Halfords" type store for cheap. It worked fine.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 27 Mar 2022, 05:55

Hey! I have a plan B !
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby MY63 » 27 Mar 2022, 18:37

Bob I thought it was a big box you were making, I did some work for a high end retailer :eusa-naughty: I am not allowed to talk about it,It was all in black skin let me know how much you need. Postage might be the issue.
Pictures would be nice I like your boxes.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 27 Mar 2022, 19:04

Michael,
The box will be abut 30c. x 10cm x 8cm.
The lid will be glass. Its just to hold 5 watches, like this;-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Watches-Storag ... 412&sr=8-7
But in highly figured bubinga, with chrome hinges in this style;-
https://www.nichelocks.com/Cabinet-Hard ... googlebase
I'm struggling to find a nice chrome catch to go with it, but the guy has said he will be happy with magnets if all else fails.
Small box furniture here is strictly limited to the cheapest of the cheap chinese pot metal.

Its not a valuable box overall, not even a 100 quid, but it wont work with just finished wood on the inside.

I'm planning on going to the car upholsterer tomorrow. If thats a complete wash I just might get back to you on your offer. Thank you.
But of course, now the UK is no longer in europe, that would involve import duty(20%) and then vat on top (another 20% of the running total).

At the moment, theres nothing to see, only the 4 sides waiting to be trimmed. I bought back a large (21kg) cast iron mitre trimmer from the UK 2 weeks ago, the blades are away being sharpened and I hope to get them back this week, allowing me to put the 4 sides together. 8-)
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 28 Mar 2022, 11:51

Breathe easy, Michael and Andy. :eusa-pray:
I managed to scarf a largish piece of car seat "leather" thats barely 1mm thick.
I have enough for a few trial runs.
Thanks to both for very kind offers, but the logistics were far more involved than the value of the box. :eusa-naughty:

Of course, if anyone goes to Cyprus on holiday and decides to bring gifts, I can supply a few beer tokens anytime. :lol: 8-)
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 01 Apr 2022, 12:31

Looking for adhesive suggestions now.
Bear in mind this 0.75 mm car"leather" lookalike will have to be what I use, I now need suitable glue.
First trial with UHU spray glue onto thick card failed within a couple of hours.
Next trial will be with titebond 3. Any other realistic options?
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby AJB Temple » 01 Apr 2022, 12:46

If you got it from a car trim place, why not ask them what they use to bond it to wood? They must do door panels and dashboards.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby sunnybob » 01 Apr 2022, 14:06

Language barrier is a mighty thing. I've seen them stitch covers and force over foam, never seen them fix to a flat surface.
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Re: lining a box with bits of leather

Postby AJB Temple » 01 Apr 2022, 14:24

Language barrier is a thing of the past.

Type "What glue do you use to stick leather to wood?" into Google translate on your phone or laptop.
Greek: ti kólla chrisimopoieís gia na kollíseis to dérma sto xýlo?

Google translate has an icon too which speaks the Greek for you. They can show you their glue or type into the app or speak into the app. This will suffice easily to solve your problem with an adhesive that they use locally.

You can then use it to learn Greek :lol:
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Postby sunnybob » 01 Apr 2022, 18:15

My phone is a phone. it is not internet connected. I dont use it enough to warrant the cost.
I shall overcome.
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