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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Steve Maskery » 11 Mar 2021, 00:25

wallace wrote:Is it true you cant use the saw stop on damp wood

Probably. The system works by detecting a residual current, IIUIC, just like a RCD in you house. So anything more conductive than it is expecting will trigger a very expensive activation.
You can switch the system off, for when cutting aluminium, for example, but that would rather defeat the object of the excercise, would it not?
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Trevanion » 11 Mar 2021, 00:47

wallace wrote:Is it true you cant use the saw stop on damp wood


Apparently, it's more myth than truth. In this video, they show a board being cut that is actually dripping wet.

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Trevanion » 13 Aug 2022, 22:19

Steve Maskery wrote:
Trevanion wrote:Perhaps that's a new video idea for you Steve "Debunking the Illegal Dado Stack Myth" :D


Your wish, and all that...
Enjoy.



I didn't realise that you got a mention on Steve Ramsey's channel, Woodworking For Mere Mortals, for that video, Steve!

At about 4 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0JTA3qlO8

Kind of disappointing to see that while SR's video got 82,000 views, it shows your video having 5722 views on the video itself, when checking the views on your video it has only gone up to 5905, I was going to ask for royalties for coming up with the idea but it would be cruel! It's a great video and it deserves more views than that, particularly when there are so many people still saying this kind of tooling is highly illegal and carries a life sentence in Broadmoor if used.

That last bit may have been an exaggeration, though not far off the comments I see frequently on Instagram.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Doug » 14 Aug 2022, 08:14

Only just seen this thread, I watched a demo of the saw stop a while ago not only is it impressive how it works but also how quickly the cartridge & blade are to remove & replace.
This is what the blade & cartridge look like when the the saw has been tripped

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Steve Maskery » 14 Aug 2022, 16:44

Trevanion wrote:
I didn't realise that you got a mention on Steve Ramsey's channel, Woodworking For Mere Mortals, for that video, Steve!

Kind of disappointing to see that while SR's video got 82,000 views, it shows your video having 5722 views on the video itself, when checking the views on your video it has only gone up to 5905


Tell me about it. I've just about given up expecting my work to reach the sort of audiences other YT woodies reach. I really don't get it. I have a very high Like:Dislike ratio but if YT doesn't feature it, or doesn't feature it for more than a day or two, and people don't share it, it doesn't get seen.

It's not as if the stuff I produce is always lightweight.

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby 9fingers » 14 Aug 2022, 17:11

I really feel for you Steve and also can’t understand the difference in viewing figures

Could it be that your videos tend to be about a technique or a jig for doing something rather than a build project in it’s entirety? I know the coffin was an exception.
Mr “MFT” Millard seems to get away with countless mft/ tracksaw videos with good viewing figures and seems to be setting up his own subscription website. So presumably he sees a market there.
His style is like yours, light hearted, informative and with the odd blooper thrown in but he nearly always is making something even if it is yet another mft top.
It really is a mystery.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Trevanion » 14 Aug 2022, 19:44

9fingers wrote:I really feel for you Steve and also can’t understand the difference in viewing figures

Could it be that your videos tend to be about a technique or a jig for doing something rather than a build project in it’s entirety? I know the coffin was an exception.
Mr “MFT” Millard seems to get away with countless mft/ tracksaw videos with good viewing figures and seems to be setting up his own subscription website. So presumably he sees a market there.
His style is like yours, light hearted, informative and with the odd blooper thrown in but he nearly always is making something even if it is yet another mft top.
It really is a mystery.
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John Heisz of "I Built It" fame has talked about this in length on his "Scrap Bin" channel in the past. He can do a very detailed series of videos on building a complex project and he will get next to zero views because not many people have the attention span or the time to invest in such long videos, whereas a silly video of him installing a paper blade in his table saw and cutting things with it will generate 13m views because it's short, shareable, and a bit different.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Steve Maskery » 14 Aug 2022, 19:53

Trevanion wrote: He can do a very detailed series of videos on building a complex project and he will get next to zero views because not many people have the attention span or the time to invest in such long videos, whereas a silly video of him installing a paper blade in his table saw and cutting things with it will generate 13m views because it's short, shareable, and a bit different.


Which speaks volumes about societal values, wouldn't you say?
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby 9fingers » 14 Aug 2022, 20:14

I was just trying to speculate on the vast difference in the viewing figures

Steve style suits me as I like to learn techniques to deploy on other projects

However I’m often surprised by the number of folk that seem to want blow blow plans for things.

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby RogerS » 14 Aug 2022, 21:38

It's because (anti)social media thrives on the 10 second gizmo or zany idea. It's the internet.....normal societal values need not apply.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Steve Maskery » 14 Aug 2022, 21:50

9fingers wrote:
However I’m often surprised by the number of folk that seem to want blow blow plans for things.


Don't knock it...

https://www.stevemaskery.com/jig-plans

I get one or two sales a week. Just about pays for the website and it keeps me in the frame for being an internationally acclaimed internet woodworking superstar.

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 03:30

You Tube is mainly entertainment. It's designed to sell stuff. Advertising and paid film subscriptions. It is increasingly moving in the direction of "shorts", probably driven largely by the popularity of Tik Tok et al. Anyone aspiring to make money from YT needs to catch the attention very fast, keep it brief, and be ad friendly. Essential to put out content frequently, at least weekly, to keep subscribers coming back. Suspect all rankings are algorithm driven hence working out what drives them presumably helps. Choosing a specialised area of a minority hobby makes viewing numbers a challenge. I am interested in woodwork, have no interest in jigs, and watching woodwork stuff on YT is rare for me despite my interest. Tool reviews and tedium mainly so does not reel me in.

If I look at my own YT behaviour as a user, I rarely "like" anything now as the entreaties to do so are too blatant (content needs to be very good) and although I may subscribe, if I don't watch much other content from them then I cull the subscriptions pretty often. I almost always skip through a YT vid quickly to see which bits are worth watching. I know the algo system monitors this, but I suspect it's pretty typical behaviour from YT users at large: short attention span and no tolerance of waffle. The algo also measures what triggers repeat viewing of sections in a vid and ranks that positively apparently.

Interesting how it all works.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 03:40

PS Baby Shark Dance has hit 10 billion views.

YT usage stats:
All of the top vids are music related. Other than this:
Men apparently watch "soccer", strategy games, X Box and basketball.
Women watch nail, hair & skin care, beauty, weight loss, east Asian (whatever that means) and pop music.

Clearly men and women are very similar. 8-)
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Windows » 15 Aug 2022, 06:41

Several thousand views is quite respectable and a really good base to build from. If the goal is to increase Steve’s viewership, complaining about the shallowness of society (aka blaming the customer), might not be the ideal approach.

Presenting video, editing video, marketing, and “hacking” YouTube/social media recommendation algorithms are just 4 of the separate skills that help people to grow their following. Gaining any one of these skills is not a trivial undertaking. There’s an opportunity to learn from people with success on YouTube (like Estlea and Sellers) who are really good across all of those skills in addition to having woodworking knowledge to share.

Everyone wants to feel respected, and YouTube viewers particularly want to feel that their time is being respected. Making a video shorter is actually a ton of work that requires both content editing and video editing skills, but if you start by thinking “how can I respect the viewers’ time by delivering the same information in less time?”, people respond positively to that. A rough cut video could be many times the length of the final result. It’s amazing what you can do just by shrinking speech pauses and transitions, by cutting out misspeaks, by editing the script, by using visuals to reinforce or replace spoken content or to cover audio transitions.

Anyway, I’m not an expert on video. I just want to say that there are real, learnable skills involved in video production and small differences in 100 different areas can add up to real improvements.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 08:21

^^^ Agree with that.

Have to consider the size of the target audience. Active members on this forum, who post consistently must be numbered in the low dozens. A few dozen more (with some duplicates) over at the other place. Not everyone uses forums (declining ?) and FB and Insta groups will add a few hundred more at most in the UK. To appeal to other english speaking markets, then US appeal has to be targeted, and down under.

I would think that to get lots of views in woody stuff, the originator must appeal to the "how to" DIY market that buy stuff from the sheds. Mostly that is going to be quite simple things. I only look at YT "how to" vids if there is something I have little idea how to do. So I find out and then never go there again.

Seems to me that being a content generator is an end in itself - the actual underlying skill or hobby is almost incidental.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Woodbloke » 15 Aug 2022, 10:10

AJB Temple wrote:Y I am interested in woodwork, have no interest in jigs, and watching woodwork stuff on YT is rare for me despite my interest. Tool reviews and tedium mainly so does not reel me in.

I almost always skip through a YT vid quickly to see which bits are worth watching. I know the algo system monitors this, but I suspect it's pretty typical behaviour from YT users at large: short attention span and no tolerance of waffle.

When I first started to work for Ax a few years ago, they'd just started to promote stuff on 'soshal meja' :D in a big way. To that end, some of the chaps who were learning how to use it were sent away up to 'le smoke' to learn the tricks of t'interweb trade and I distinctly remember one of them telling me that in any interaction, be it UToob, InstaG etc the first 10 seconds were the most important as it's then that the viewer is 'grabbed' and will tend to stay a while. If the viewer isn't 'grabbed', he or she will 'click away' within two or three seconds to go somewhere else.
This might explain why Estlea's video's are a bit 'shouty' as they begin but tend to quieten down as they progress. What it doesn't explain are the rather excellent videos from the late David Charlesworth which are a bit soporific :lol: and really require your full attention to stay awake - Rob
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Lurker » 15 Aug 2022, 10:20

I think Steve ought to branch out into makeup tips.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 10:46

I used to employ a full time person doing social media promotion on various platforms. These people are a different breed. She was at the time very keen on twitter, and try as I might I simply could not get myself to feel any interest in it whatsoever. Or even fake it.

Steve needs a good looking blonde assistant. I am visualising a pretty ferret with a silky blonde pelt and free run of the workshop.

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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Lurker » 15 Aug 2022, 11:49

AJB Temple wrote:I used to employ a full time person doing social media promotion on various platforms. These people are a different breed. She was at the time very keen on twitter, and try as I might I simply could not get myself to feel any interest in it whatsoever. Or even fake it.

Steve needs a good looking blonde assistant. I am visualising a pretty ferret with a silky blonde pelt and free run of the workshop.

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He could make a small pannier for it to hold his pencils.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Dr.Al » 15 Aug 2022, 12:09

Every few months, someone fills in the contact form on my website and says something like "have you ever thought of making youtube videos?" I've never been tempted even slightly!

I've heard a few youtubers (e.g. clickspring) say that recording their projects doubles the amount of workshop time required (and that doesn't include all the editing time). I already feel like I don't get enough time to do workshop stuff so it would get a lot worse if everything took twice as long.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby PAC1 » 15 Aug 2022, 12:32

AJB Temple wrote:I used to employ a full time person doing social media promotion on various platforms. These people are a different breed. She was at the time very keen on twitter, and try as I might I simply could not get myself to feel any interest in it whatsoever. Or even fake it.

Steve needs a good looking blonde assistant. I am visualising a pretty ferret with a silky blonde pelt and free run of the workshop.

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What Steve needs is to learn to do the sanding dance to make his vids more entertaining as per this at 3:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jua_ximF7OQ
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 13:47

Peter, does your wife realise you are watching Meike? 8-)
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby AJB Temple » 15 Aug 2022, 14:01

Interestingly, and relevant, as well as her voice over content (which is well edited to keep it short) she is also doing "shorts" and these are racking up 15,000 plus views quickly. Clearly she is blonde and a fan of very tight safety apparel, BUT she doesn't have a ferret. As far as I can see.

The voice over approach is interesting as she cracks through everything really quickly and doesn't make the viewer watch her work in real time. There is also no workshop noise. It's an interesting approach and she is getting a lot of traffic.
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby PAC1 » 15 Aug 2022, 15:33

AJB Temple wrote:Peter, does your wife realise you are watching Meike? 8-)

Adrian. They are educational woodworking videos :eusa-whistle:
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Re: A Great Sawstop Video

Postby Steve Maskery » 15 Aug 2022, 19:45

Dr.Al wrote:I've heard a few youtubers (e.g. clickspring) say that recording their projects doubles the amount of workshop time required (and that doesn't include all the editing time).


At least double. And the editing can take longer still.

I've been filming these %^&*( dining chairs. No idea how much footage I've got. Not looked at any of it, let alone edited it.

Got nothing done today, I've been wallpapering a friend.
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