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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 14:03

Its one of those subjects, isnt it?
I posted a video about how good a pair of safety glasses are in saving a life.
NOBODY watched enough of the video to catch onto that by way, and suddenly we have a raging war of the roses going on. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have been a club secretary, and have dealt with police firearms units of Avon and Somerset and occasionally Devon and Cornwall. Sadly, most of the people in them have never owned or shot a gun, but normally they were open to expert advice.
I've seen mishandling and carrying abuses too, and dont defend every body's rights to own.

But its a fact that criminals NEVER apply for firearms licenses, and the people who sell guns to criminals are also criminals.
time to stop now I think. :eusa-whistle:

Cyprus has a very laid back attitude to shotguns though. Permits are easily obtained, they are for life (unless you break other laws, and you can own up to 8 without having to lock any of them up. More than 8 and you are considered a dealer and then you need very strong security indeed.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 14:05

sunnybob wrote:Go on, tell me theres no reason to shoot large calibre weapons, go on. :shock: :D

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Nope, me and Preston Isaacs who owns a military museum outside Barnstaple, picture taken around 1990.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 14:06

Alf wrote:
sunnybob wrote:But is there any "reasonable" reason for a woodworker to own hundreds of chisels and planes and saws? :eusa-whistle:


Them's fightin' words... :eusa-naughty:

Luckily I'm not armed. Done lots of shooting though. :D


See what happens when I try to be reasonable? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Apr 2021, 14:43

I vividly recollect a time in the Commcen at HQL Wilton, when my mate's wife was 'on stag' at the main gate and the Commcen was literally across the road from the Guardhouse. Having knocked at the (armoured) door, she was admitted and asked for a few tea bags as they'd run out. I noticed though, that she had an SA80 slung across her chest.
I gave her all the tea bags she required, as you would :shock:

She was also ic of the guard pooches on site and they were unquestionably never to be messed with :shock: - Rob
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby RogerS » 30 Apr 2021, 14:53

Woodbloke wrote:I vividly recollect a time in the Commcen at HQL Wilton, when my mate's wife was 'on stag' at the main gate and the Commcen was literally across the road from the Guardhouse. Having knocked at the (armoured) door, she was admitted and asked for a few tea bags as they'd run out. I noticed though, that she had an SA80 slung across her chest.
I gave her all the tea bags she required, as you would :shock:

She was also ic of the guard pooches on site and they were unquestionably never to be messed with :shock: - Rob



LOL. Reminds me of going through the Security Scanner to go airside behind the scenes at Gatwick and the alarm going off BIG time just after I'd walked through. Turned round to see two armed police wandering through with their H&K's.

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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 15:21

:er indoors deals with our rats by means of a shovel applied with extreme prejudice :shock:

I dont upset her when she's gardening :eusa-naughty: :eusa-naughty:
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby droogs » 30 Apr 2021, 15:28

Woodbloke wrote:I vividly recollect a time in the Commcen at HQL Wilton, when my mate's wife was 'on stag' at the main gate and the Commcen was literally across the road from the Guardhouse. Having knocked at the (armoured) door, she was admitted and asked for a few tea bags as they'd run out. I noticed though, that she had an SA80 slung across her chest.
I gave her all the tea bags she required, as you would :shock:

She was also ic of the guard pooches on site and they were unquestionably never to be messed with :shock: - Rob


If she was armed with a SA80 L85A1, I'd have told her to sod off and get her own A2 would be a different matter :text-lol:

@Woodbloke you ex Handbag or RTG, I was RTG then became a SysEng Tech then a CIST ech
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 15:45

OOHHHH thats technical that is.
But knowing the full history of the gun that nobody wants, its was funny :eusa-clap: :eusa-clap:
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby Andyp » 30 Apr 2021, 15:50

Woodbloke wrote:I vividly recollect a time in the Commcen at HQL Wilton, when my mate's wife was 'on stag' at the main gate and the Commcen was literally across the road from the Guardhouse. Having knocked at the (armoured) door, she was admitted and asked for a few tea bags as they'd run out. I noticed though, that she had an SA80 slung across her chest.
I gave her all the tea bags she required, as you would :shock:

She was also ic of the guard pooches on site and they were unquestionably never to be messed with :shock: - Rob


Jeez you forces types love your to confuse the rest of us. :)
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 15:54

No sir, not me sir. Confirmed civilian, thats me. I would have spent my entire career polishing the insides of houses built from glass, but of course on a mastermind quiz my specialist subject would be firearms. :D :D
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby Woodbloke » 30 Apr 2021, 17:26

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@Woodbloke you ex Handbag or RTG, I was RTG then became a SysEng Tech then a CIST ech


Civvy working with the Royal Signals at HQL during the second Gulf War, so it was 'interesting' :eusa-whistle: in the Commcen. 'Nuff said.

No idea about the weapon, but it was an SA80 and it was loaded 'cos I asked her. She gave me a withering look when I asked and replied...'course it's f*cking loaded, wouldn't be much f*@%ing use without, would it? F*cking tw@t you are!'

She also had a holstered Browning Hi-Power on her hip which also had a live clip in it. Interestingly, the military that I spoke to thought very little of the Browning; inaccurate, underpowered etc - Rob
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 17:57

The SA80 was misconceived from the start. Youve heard the saying that a camel was designed by a committee that was charged with building a race horse? Same committee.
The war departments finest brains designed and built a rifle so bad that not only did no other military in the world buy it, ever, but even the British army refused it for a while and never issued it to any special groups.
The browning hi-power by comparison is a very good pistol, from the design to the finished article.
BUT..... the British army bought them from the lowest bidders who practiced zero quality control, and then they were sent to the armourers, who were mostly jobsworths with no interest in making a machine function properly, and then given to squaddies who did their damndest to abuse and misuse them through ignorance and indifference, and possibly even a bit of fear.

The pistol 9mm round was more effective at putting an enemy down than the 5.56 mm SA 80 round, but that actually was a design feature, because the modern army rifle is built around the principle of wounding rather than killing. Not for any tree hugging reason, but a wounded soldier needs 5 other soldiers to stop shooting at you and help him, whereas a dead soldier just gets stepped over .

Makes a nice change for me to be teaching all you woodworking genii. :eusa-clap: :eusa-clap:
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby Chris101 » 30 Apr 2021, 19:36

One of the blokes I used to work with before he retired used to store his shotgun by burying it. Essex deerhunters by moonlight. I'm not kidding btw.
He had 3 driving licences and those were just the ones you would come across occasionally.
His mates would also bury their guns. And no one would tell the rest where they buried their gun in case they ever got nicked.


Gun control only works on the controllable. My old workmate wasn't a psycho. Just lived outside the law. A bit.
It's the ones who realise the law is all smoke and mirrors AND have a point to prove you need to worry about.
Thankfully they are few and far between and mostly don't know places to get guns in this country. They are nutters not criminals. The criminals who do are professional enough most of the time to know better than to poke the rozzers in the goolies too provocatively to prevent the making of money.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby Trevanion » 30 Apr 2021, 20:04

sunnybob wrote:Nope, me and Preston Isaacs who owns a military museum outside Barnstaple, picture taken around 1990.


Ah, I was only teasing ya, Bob ;)

sunnybob wrote:I posted a video about how good a pair of safety glasses are in saving a life.
NOBODY watched enough of the video to catch onto that by way, and suddenly we have a raging war of the roses going on. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I agree on the safety specs front, I practically wear a pair (not safety rated mind, although I'm not expecting a rifle to blow up in my hands) all the time although I do need them to actually see.

My point was more of a general one, a .50 calibre rifle is a very serious piece of equipment and quite often you see Americans on Youtube messing about with them in immature ways. Sure, I also find it entertaining to see it punch a hole in random objects, who doesn't, but it just seems stark raving mad to allow practically anyone to go out and buy one (and guns in general) without a license or even mandatory training of some kind.

Firing antique bullets with a lot of unknowns about the provenance seems and incidentally was a recipe for disaster too.

I personally think the British Laws on firearms are pretty pragmatic and sensible, and it limits gun ownership to those who actually need a firearm (and are vetted to be responsible and sane people) rather than having one for the sake of having it. Of course, criminals are going to be able to obtain firearms illegally, but it's sort of a moot point as crime with firearms involved is so low in the UK anyway and it's generally scumbags vs scumbags when it does happen.

You can blame Blair, but he had little choice as the majority public would've strung him up if he didn't do something drastic about what happened prior to the Amendment, as the same with New Zealand more recently.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby AJB Temple » 30 Apr 2021, 20:34

I agree, after Hungerford (when the Conservatives brought in controls) and then Dunblane when newly elected new labour brought in even tighter controls, they had no choice. The vast majority of the population could see no good reason why anyone should be running around with hand guns. It was bad news for sporting shooters, but they were in a tiny minority. Logically it was the right decision by both governments.

Almost nothing though will prevent deranged people doing bad things, it just makes it much harder for them to get guns. Seems rational to me.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 30 Apr 2021, 20:45

Yup. I blame Blair. He had a full national enquiry, chaired by lord Cullen (who I met at Bisley)
Lord Cullen made many recommendations, NONE of which mentioned a ban.

Blair ignored completely the fact that the kiddie murderer only had a gun because he was a police informant and the sergeant gave him his ticket despite the man being banned from 2 separate gun clubs. Blair paraded a woman on the Tv whos name I cant remember now and whipped up the unknowing public to vote for him on a gun ban ticket. he won, the guns got (mostly) banned.

Sorry, old wounds that open easily even after 30 years. Lets move along. :D

Bisley shooting ground in surrey is the only place in the UK where a civilian can legally fire a 50BMG, even single shot. So there arent too many of them floating around, but a single shot rifle is not a prohibited firearm.
We sometimes got a batch of antique rounds turn up. If it was military it was filled with cordite instead of smokeless powder, and if the gun didnt go bang when you pulled the trigger you had to wait in position for a slow count of thirty in case it was a hang fire. Even then it was a knee clenching moment opening the gun to get it out.
I witnessed several guns self destruct over the years, in every case it was a result of poor reloading by the owner. One revolver next to me on the firing line split the cylinder in half. The piece of steel went across the front of me and vanished into the grass. 4 people spent 15 minutes looking for the lump but we never found it.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby AJB Temple » 30 Apr 2021, 21:30

If one person, among experts and enthusiasts, has seen "several guns self destruct" that would suggest that were the general population to be using them, there would be lots of accidents. If the destruction was caused by bad loading, then again given the experts and enthusiasts (club and competitions) using them, then a more lay person is more likely to make an error and blow the gun up. Just applying normal reasoning.

With this kind of argument a politician could conclude that guns are dangerous for people, because although guns are inert without people, it is much too easy for dangerous accidents to arise.

There is no going back anyway. Knife crime seems to be a thing now and we have some people suggesting various bans. There is no solution to any of this other than education I fear.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby droogs » 30 Apr 2021, 21:50

regarding knife crime all we can do is confiscate every knife in the land and give everyone a Spork
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby novocaine » 30 Apr 2021, 21:59

droogs wrote:regarding knife crime all we can do is confiscate every knife in the land and give everyone a Spork

But then we get sporke crime.

How about we all just stop and instead live In peace and harmony?

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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby RogerS » 30 Apr 2021, 22:05

novocaine wrote:....

Tenner folks, guns don't kill people, rappers do,woot woot.


Yebbut..when you hear *rap, you find yourself reaching for a gun. :shock:
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby AJB Temple » 30 Apr 2021, 23:53

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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 01 May 2021, 05:36

Sorry, got quite maudlin last night, and I cant even blame alcohol.
Its done, its gone. Shant mention it here again.
Unless actual ballistic advice is required of course,
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby novocaine » 01 May 2021, 06:23

sunnybob wrote:Sorry, got quite maudlin last night, and I cant even blame alcohol.
Its done, its gone. Shant mention it here again.
Unless actual ballistic advice is required of course,
8-)


How much black powder should i mix with (insert chemical here) to get the neighbours cat back over the fence when ir craps in thw rhubarb patch? Reckon its about 10 pounds and cat shaped.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby sunnybob » 01 May 2021, 08:32

Finally, a reason to own a 20 gauge.
Fill it with dust, or washing powder.
Youll have the cleanest cat in the street.
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Re: Why you wear PPE

Postby novocaine » 01 May 2021, 08:35

sunnybob wrote:Finally, a reason to own a 20 gauge.
Fill it with dust, or washing powder.
Youll have the cleanest cat in the street.


Couldnt possibly comment. :lol:

But putting a .77 5 ft from it made it move*



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