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Postby 9fingers » 12 Jun 2021, 15:18

When spam manages to get through my providers spam filters which is only a few per week, I've got into the habit of forwarding them to the Gov't address for such things where they claim to investigate them and try and shut down the senders. Seems like a good idea.
Their "thank you" response claims they have had 6.1m sent in and removed 45k scams and taken down 90k malicious URLs

Recently Outlook who seem to have replaced hotmail as host of my disposable email addy have started recognising that I'm forwarding spam and block it.
Two issues with that. 1 it does not now get investigated and 2 If they recognise it as spam why did they forward it to me in the first place!
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby sunnybob » 12 Jun 2021, 16:31

Because theyre being paid to.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby TrimTheKing » 15 Jun 2021, 12:46

Bob

Don't forward the email, send a new email with the spam mail as an attachment, that will get around it. Unless of course the Government service needs it to be forwarded.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 13:10

TrimTheKing wrote:Bob

Don't forward the email, send a new email with the spam mail as an attachment, that will get around it. Unless of course the Government service needs it to be forwarded.


Not my area of expertise but would not that strip out the headers which inturn lose clues to the source?

Also not sure how to attach an email to another?

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby spb » 15 Jun 2021, 13:40

9fingers wrote:Not my area of expertise but would not that strip out the headers which inturn lose clues to the source?

Also not sure how to attach an email to another?

Other way around, usually - forwarding an email the normal way just writes a new email, from you, with the content of the previous one at the bottom. Attaching it saves the entire original mail, headers and all, into a file, then attaches that to the new one.

Most mail clients that I know of have a "Forward as attachment" option, usually just below the regular forward option; that'll do what you want in this case.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 13:57

spb wrote:
9fingers wrote:Not my area of expertise but would not that strip out the headers which inturn lose clues to the source?

Also not sure how to attach an email to another?

Other way around, usually - forwarding an email the normal way just writes a new email, from you, with the content of the previous one at the bottom. Attaching it saves the entire original mail, headers and all, into a file, then attaches that to the new one.

Most mail clients that I know of have a "Forward as attachment" option, usually just below the regular forward option; that'll do what you want in this case.


That feature is not supported on the outlook account (on iphone) where most spam arrives and where their postmaster rejects forwarding it as spam.
My main mail accounts on PC are well filtered so get little spam but after digging, SeaMonkey does support 'fwd as attachment'

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby TrimTheKing » 15 Jun 2021, 16:16

Yep as spb says, forwarding the email as an attachment is the way to go as that keeps all the header info, without that it's fairly useless to them anyway, so I would have thought that's what they would have been telling people to do... :eusa-think:
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 16:22

TrimTheKing wrote:Yep as spb says, forwarding the email as an attachment is the way to go as that keeps all the header info, without that it's fairly useless to them anyway, so I would have thought that's what they would have been telling people to do... :eusa-think:


Yes but did you read what I wrote Mark? iphone/outlook does not offer forwarding as attachment.

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby TrimTheKing » 15 Jun 2021, 16:39

Yep, read it but assumed you would just do the needful from the pc... If you don't have that account on the PC then yes, you're scuppered.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 17:02

TrimTheKing wrote:Yep, read it but assumed you would just do the needful from the pc... If you don't have that account on the PC then yes, you're scuppered.

That account can be accessed from pc but outlook the new host for hotmail does not seem to offer that facility either similar to the mail app on iPhone.
I’ll happily forward spam and phishing to hmg if it were on the phone

Bottom line seems to be the hypocrites behind outlook Mail do not have effective spam filtering on incoming mail but do implement better filtering on outgoing mail.

The hotmail account is used specifically with websites that want registration when I don’t want to register so a vast proportion is unwanted anyway.

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby Blackswanwood » 15 Jun 2021, 18:16

Bob, from the screen shot I think you are using the Apple mail app linked to your Hotmail account?

If so it may be worth downloading the Outlook app from the AppStore and using that instead. You can then just click on the e-mail, open the menu and use the report junk function.

I hope that helps but if not apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby AndyT » 15 Jun 2021, 18:54

Bob, you said

The hotmail account is used specifically with websites that want registration when I don’t want to register so a vast proportion is unwanted anyway.

A simpler option might be to use a "disposable" email for registration, from tempinbox.com or similar.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 19:18

Blackswanwood wrote:Bob, from the screen shot I think you are using the Apple mail app linked to your Hotmail account?

If so it may be worth downloading the Outlook app from the AppStore and using that instead. You can then just click on the e-mail, open the menu and use the report junk function.

I hope that helps but if not apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.


Hi Robert, you have it spot on. I did go through a phase of reporting spam and phishing to outlook but I did not notice any useful reduction. My preference is to report it to HMG security service.

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 19:20

AndyT wrote:Bob, you said

The hotmail account is used specifically with websites that want registration when I don’t want to register so a vast proportion is unwanted anyway.

A simpler option might be to use a "disposable" email for registration, from tempinbox.com or similar.


That is a good thought Andy. Somewhat perversely, I quite like to see what spam arises from which site so I use a false name plus hotmail addy to see what comes from where.

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby RogerS » 15 Jun 2021, 21:32

9fingers wrote:
Blackswanwood wrote:Bob, from the screen shot I think you are using the Apple mail app linked to your Hotmail account?

If so it may be worth downloading the Outlook app from the AppStore and using that instead. You can then just click on the e-mail, open the menu and use the report junk function.

I hope that helps but if not apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.


Hi Robert, you have it spot on. I did go through a phase of reporting spam and phishing to outlook but I did not notice any useful reduction. My preference is to report it to HMG security service.

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Eh ? These do not compute.

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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 15 Jun 2021, 21:46

But the problem is with apple Roger keep up. :lol:

The spam email is coming into the iphone and the ios mail app (or outlook app) wont allow me to forward as attachment to send it to HMG
In contrast my pc mail accounts are not plagued with spam and yet would allow forwarding as attachment if I had a problem.

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Spam reporting

Postby TrimTheKing » 16 Jun 2021, 08:06

9fingers wrote:
TrimTheKing wrote:Yep, read it but assumed you would just do the needful from the pc... If you don't have that account on the PC then yes, you're scuppered.

That account can be accessed from pc but outlook the new host for hotmail does not seem to offer that facility either similar to the mail app on iPhone.
I’ll happily forward spam and phishing to hmg if it were on the phone

Bottom line seems to be the hypocrites behind outlook Mail do not have effective spam filtering on incoming mail but do implement better filtering on outgoing mail.

The hotmail account is used specifically with websites that want registration when I don’t want to register so a vast proportion is unwanted anyway.

Bob


Okay if it doesn’t have a forward as attachment menu option then you just open a new email then drag the offending email (click and hold on the subject) from your inbox/folder into the newly composed email and it adds it in as an attachment. Simples.

Outlook is fairly standard though so right clicking on the email title should give you the menu option to fwd as attachment I believe.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 16 Jun 2021, 08:18

Let’s forget it mark too many wrong end of sticks being grasped
We are getting nowhere.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby TrimTheKing » 16 Jun 2021, 08:37

I’ve googled, you cannot do it in any of the iOS apps and MS have removed the functionality in Outlook 2013 so yes you’re right, it’s shyte!

What a crazy decision given we are asked to report spam and this is the only way to get the full message header into sent... clowns!
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby 9fingers » 16 Jun 2021, 08:52

Yes it does make spam reporting hard(er) work
Similar for spam text reporting as it seems that the senders number does not get forwarded and they text back to ask for it which means a fairly awkward process to get the senders number (likely spoofed anyway) and a second text message grrr.
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Re: Spam reporting

Postby RogerS » 16 Jun 2021, 09:54

And all of which is why ICBA to report spam.
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