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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Mike G » 17 Jun 2016, 21:40

The joists don't have to bear on the plate at all, so there is no need for packers. In fact, they can sensibly be up to a third of the way up the rafter. I know it's not to scale, but those rafters look very skinny, Bob, and the junction would look more realistic if the rafter were drawn at 150 deep.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby 9fingers » 17 Jun 2016, 21:52

I was assuming a very thin roof such fibre cement slates and I'd expect 100mm rafters at 400 centres to be OK.

If the joist is placed further up the rafter then I agree 150 rafters might be better to transfer the storage platform load onto the wall plate safely.

Hopefully this will give Richard some food for thought.

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 17 Jun 2016, 22:17

Wow, thanks for the help. The diagrams are great Bob.

I hadn't appreciated that I could move the joists up the rafters without compromising the roof, so that's good to know :D .

At the moment I'm considering a slate roof, or one of the man made slate equivalents, so I'm planning on quite a thin roof covering. Mainly for aesthetics, but it does help with the eaves height, as you say. Time to go sit on my metaphorical rock and give it all some thought.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Dan0741 » 18 Jun 2016, 22:04

Richard, for what its worth, I thought long and hard about this as I wanted storage in the roof and also a fairly high ceiling and also the options of turning large sheets of ply or similar around within. The option I went with in the end was a compromise but achieved everything I wanted. I effectively divided the roof into 3 sections, each about 2.4 or so long. The middle section has no ties (joists) at all. One end has plate level ties, to give me a loft and the storage I needed. The other end has ties raised by one 3rd the height of the roof, and gives some limited storage but a very usable ceiling height. This works for me and may not suit you but the reason I raise it is that you don't have to have the same solution for the whole roof area if that's not what works for you. My workshop thread has some images that will clarify what I mean! :D
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 13 Sep 2016, 11:52

Progress has been slow, but I've nearly finished the brickwork on the plinth. Just the course of plinth stretchers to go on, which I managed to pick up for a bargain price of £1.20 a brick from a reclamation yard near Towcester. They are seconds, rather than reclaim, as they haven't been fired correctly and the colour is red with bits of blue, but at a third of the price from a local merchant I'm not concerned. http://www.watlingreclamation.co.uk/sho ... th-bricks/

The local merchants wanted £13 per brick for return bricks, so I have cut the corners off of four stretchers instead. Once I get the plinth stretchers on I'll post up a photo of how it all looks.

The problem I have at the moment is finding a supply of the 50mm blocks. None of the local merchants (Travis Perkins, Jewsons, MKM) stock them. MKM have them in stock in a couple of Norfolk branches, but that is it. Does anybody know of anywhere online, or local (I'm between Selby and Goole in North Yorkshire) where I can find them. I don't mind a bit of a road trip to get some, but Norfolk is a bit further than I'd like :lol: . If it comes to it I might have to cut in half 100mm blocks, but I'd rather not mess about doing that.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Malc2098 » 13 Sep 2016, 14:14

Richard39 wrote:
The problem I have at the moment is finding a supply of the 50mm blocks. None of the local merchants (Travis Perkins, Jewsons, MKM) stock them. MKM have them in stock in a couple of Norfolk branches, but that is it. Does anybody know of anywhere online, or local (I'm between Selby and Goole in North Yorkshire) where I can find them. I don't mind a bit of a road trip to get some, but Norfolk is a bit further than I'd like :lol: . If it comes to it I might have to cut in half 100mm blocks, but I'd rather not mess about doing that.



Hi Guys, when my time comes shortly, if I follow the same plinth design, I will be looking for 50mm blocks in here in the South West.

Any ideas?
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Dan0741 » 13 Sep 2016, 14:21

They are a southern thing.... Im in the midlands and the nearest I could get them are as below...bonus is that they don't weigh anything so you can load a boot/flat bed up with them ...

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Mike G » 13 Sep 2016, 14:41

There's a national shortage of blocks at the moment, so some Builder's Merchants probably aren't holding stock of these. Just keep phoning around. If the worst comes to the worst, cutting lightweight blocks is dead easy, so slice some 100mm blocks lengthways.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Malc2098 » 13 Sep 2016, 14:45

MKM in Honiton. Result!! Thanks, Guys!
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 23 Sep 2016, 13:23

Looks like cutting in half will be the way forward as there is nothing locally. I'll make a jig up to try and get some uniformity, as I don't want to be messing about trying to make up for poorly cut blocks when laying them.

The brick work is all finished now, and I'm quite pleased with how it has turned out, especially as I've never previously laid a brick in my life. The plinth stretchers look good, and should give a clean look to the junction between the plinth and the cladding. A few photos of how it's turned out https://1drv.ms/f/s!Agmg-E5yCkuogRZCMuaNGB8XiRJZ
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Rod » 23 Sep 2016, 13:26

Look good to me - nice work

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby TrimTheKing » 23 Sep 2016, 15:43

Looks a decent job to me! :eusa-clap: :text-bravo:

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Malc2098 » 23 Sep 2016, 16:26

Hope mine will look that good!
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby ScotlandtheDave » 23 Sep 2016, 18:41

Hi Richard,

Welcome to the forum! Like me it sounds like you stumbled across this forum having not quite found what you were looking for. You'll find the wealth of experience here is great and everyone is very generous with their time and advice too. You're in good hands!

I can't add anything to help with your build, but the avengers assembled up there have far more superpowers when it comes to workshop builds :) I'm just a tech nerd so it was a tip regarding your pics. You are hosting them in OneDrive, so you can embed them in the forum. Once your pics are in OneDrive you can make a photo album (or not, i dont think it matters). If you right click an image you should see an embed option. Capture the whole URL presented and paste it into some <img> tags (you'll see them at the top of the posting window) This way, your pics are embedded in the forum for all to see, like this (I've cheated slightly as i couldn't see the embed option on your pic as I dont have rights, so manually copied your image link address):

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It makes the pics flow well with the story, so you can illustrate as you go. Hope i've not been teaching you to suck eggs!

Happy building, its looking great so far!

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Dan0741 » 23 Sep 2016, 19:28

Looking very smart Richard - keep it coming ;)
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Andyp » 24 Sep 2016, 08:47

looks good too me. Neat and tidy too.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Crispylettuce » 24 Sep 2016, 15:54

Looks good. The plinth stretchers are a good idea!
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 25 Sep 2016, 20:25

Thanks for the tip regarding the photos. I used to spend a lot of time in forums uploading photos via photobucket, but not so much these days. When I last tried to use photobucket it was so bloated with ads that it was near impossible to use on my tablet, so I gave onedrive a go as I already have a Microsoft account. After a bit of messing about I've found how to get the url for the photo out of the mobile site. I'm sure it would be a damn sight easier on a PC, but I rarely fire the old girl up these days.

I'll the keep the photos coming as I plod along :D. Eventually I'm sure there will be loads more questions.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 01 Jul 2018, 21:04

It's been quite a while, and not an awful lot has changed in nearly two years. I managed to do the vast majority of the block work last summer before running out of sand with one block left to do. I was then beset by back problems that curtailed any further work, but I'm on the mend and making progress once more.

A complete lack of any experience of building anything like this meant I didn't even know where to start when deciding how much materials I would need. I decided that learning how to use Sketchup was probably the best way forward. I was pleasantly surprised how quickly I picked it up from just watching a few videos, and I've managed to get to the stage where I have the frame drawn up. It also means I have been able to work backwards from the permitted development restrictions on eaves, ridge and distance from boundary, so I can maximise the building dimensions without winging when building it.

Anyhow, here a few images from Sketchup to show where my thinking is going.

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Malc2098 » 01 Jul 2018, 21:57

Looking good to me.

Is there any reason why the rafters can't sit over the uprights to give you a line of timber from floor, up the wall and up and over the roof and down again? That should make it much more convenient when filing internal sheathing. You will have an unbroken line to fit to.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Dan0741 » 01 Jul 2018, 23:25

Good work with Sketchup Rich - I must have a go.

I have already posted this but some years ago, but it worth thinking about omitting some of your rafter ties? It will make the space more usable for the parts that have rafter ties in the form of a loft to lob spare timber etc, and also means you have a part of the shop where you have some height to spin large 8x4 sheets or similar if you need to - this has already proved invaluable in my shop. It has helped me to have this extended height area near the door so bringing in sheets etc is easier. I can stand 3m 4x2's upright in that area. I also raised some of my rafter ties - I think a rise of a 3rd of the height of the rafter is about the max but someone with more knowledge than i will confirm.

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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Malc2098 » 02 Jul 2018, 09:41

:text-+1:

And in the area where there are no ties in my 'shop, I have fixed the LED panels. And the ends didn't need any further lighting.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 02 Jul 2018, 10:32

Thanks for the comments, as it keeps me thinking.

Re the rafter spacing, they are at 400mm centres to give the roof space reasonable weight carrying capacity. The wall studs are at about 600mm (or thereabouts to allow easy placing of the OSB), so without messing about with one or the other I can't get them to uniformly match. Not ideal, but I can cope with any buggeration during sheeting knowing that they aren't designed to meet so I don't need to worry during construction.

Omitting at least one rafter tie is something I have been pondering as access would be very difficult at 400mm centres. I don't have a structural ridge beam, so I'm guessing I would have to try to tie the rafters into adjacent rafters, but this may be a bodge? I don't have the issue of working with large pieces of timber as my use for the garage is to primarily waste time working on old cars, but probably with use as a general workshop. The storage is more for bulky car parts rather than long lengths of anything. I've already lifted the ties to give a bit more headroom, but every increase in headroom obviously loses storage space, which is approximately 1.5m from top of the ties to the ridge as it stands. My other option is to increase rafter spacing at one end to give ease of access to the rest, and not to use that part for any serious storage.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby tabs » 02 Jul 2018, 15:30

Hi Richard

Nice job on the brickwork, I also couldn't lay my hand on any 50mm blocks so had to cut 100s. I'm in the northwest.
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Re: Richards Garage/Workshop build

Postby Richard39 » 15 Jul 2018, 22:46

After giving it some thought, I've decided to change the roof design. When I considered the actual storage space that would be available it was amounting to tunnel that wouldn't be that usable, so I've bit the bullet and decided to fit a structural ridge beam and leave the centre of the roof open. I'm going to drop the ties down to wall plate level at the end where my workbench and tool storage will be, giving me a good amount of easily accessible storage. I'm going to leave the ties raised at main entrance as I need headroom for the sectional door, but I would need something to hang it from so I may as well utilise the ties to make a little bit more storage.

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I do have a question regarding supporting the ridge beam. Are king posts necessary? I've looked at some other builds on here and they don't always seem to be fitted, but it isn't clear why.
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