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I've been out of the mortgage market for many years and lost touch with how they deal with certain situation.

Eg two friends intend to buy a house between them. Buyer 1 will pay cash, buyer 2 will need to borrow.
How will the lender handle the security of the loan. If buyer 2 were to default on his mortgage, could the lender force a sale thus making buyer 1 homeless?

I can't quite see how the lender can protect their loan without the risk of adverse impact on the cash buyer. This can't be a unique situation especially these days but how does it work?
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Bob
 
The short answer is that both parties will need to be parties to the mortgage and in the event of default the lender can repossess the property.

The lender has first call on subsequent sale proceeds. The purchasers should discuss with their solicitor if being tenants in common or an agreement can be created at the outset so the person who paid the cash portion can have first dibs on any surplus.

Situations like this are messy and risky for lenders hence the requirement for all owners being a party to the mortgage.
 
Situations like this are messy and risky for lenders hence the requirement for all owners being a party to the mortgage.
It may be messy, but why is it risky? Scenario suggests 50/50, hence lender has a 50% loan to gross value ratio. Lots of equity cover for the lender. But as a buyer holding the cash half, personally I would not get into such a deal with joint and several liability if the borrower defaulted. We had an example of this (not in UK) in our family and opted to be risk averse.
 
It may be messy, but why is it risky? Scenario suggests 50/50, hence lender has a 50% loan to gross value ratio. Lots of equity cover for the lender. But as a buyer holding the cash half, personally I would not get into such a deal with joint and several liability if the borrower defaulted. We had an example of this (not in UK) in our family and opted to be risk averse.
Yes it is 50-50 split but as Robert says, an agreement is needed so that the cash buyer gets 50% of the sale proceeds first and if the balance turns out to be insufficient to clear the loan of the other party then that is firmly his problem to sort out with the lender.
 
Yes it is 50-50 split but as Robert says, an agreement is needed so that the cash buyer gets 50% of the sale proceeds first and if the balance turns out to be insufficient to clear the loan of the other party then that is firmly his problem to sort out with the lender.
I think that is highly unlikely - the mortgage lender has agreed terms whereby they will definitely get paid for their outlay, the cash buyer is buying an asset which can go up as well as down in terms of price and has no such guarantee of a return. Solicitors are there for this type of scenario, but expecting the cash buyer to get a full return before the mortgage lender is unrealistic I feel. With rising prices and presumably not a 100% loan to the party requiring a mortgage however, the risk of negative equity is hopefully minimal.
 
It may be messy, but why is it risky? Scenario suggests 50/50, hence lender has a 50% loan to gross value ratio. Lots of equity cover for the lender. But as a buyer holding the cash half, personally I would not get into such a deal with joint and several liability if the borrower defaulted. We had an example of this (not in UK) in our family and opted to be risk averse.
There is not effective equity cover as the lender cannot sell half a share in a property.
 
It may be messy, but why is it risky? Scenario suggests 50/50, hence lender has a 50% loan to gross value ratio. Lots of equity cover for the lender. But as a buyer holding the cash half, personally I would not get into such a deal with joint and several liability if the borrower defaulted. We had an example of this (not in UK) in our family and opted to be risk averse.
I wouldn't do it either as it's far too messy but the lender has to be able to force a sale or make the other party cough up for the default otherwise they can't recover their loan. Makes perfect sense to me.
 
There is not effective equity cover as the lender cannot sell half a share in a property.
I was following your scenario that lender insists on both being parties on the mortgage (which I agree will happen). This therefore does give equity cover as the lender repossess the whole and in a static or rising market has at least 50% equity cover. Significantly less risk than lending for a typical first time buyer mortgage. However, I think we're 100% agreed that getting into such an arrangement is less than optimal for the person contributing in cash without some significant side agreement contractual protection vs the borrowing party.
 
I was following your scenario that lender insists on both being parties on the mortgage (which I agree will happen). This therefore does give equity cover as the lender repossess the whole and in a static or rising market has at least 50% equity cover. Significantly less risk than lending for a typical first time buyer mortgage. However, I think we're 100% agreed that getting into such an arrangement is less than optimal for the person contributing in cash without some significant side agreement contractual protection vs the borrowing party.

If buyer 2 were to default on his mortgage, could the lender force a sale thus making buyer 1 homeless?

I read the above question in Bob's post as being the main point.
 
I read the above question in Bob's post as being the main point.
Yes that was the major concern. However if as others suggest it would have to be a joint mortgage then perhaps buyer 1 (cash) could take over buyer 2 payments and evict buyer 2 having caused the default in the first place. I expect there might be an input from the bank of Mum & Dad of buyer 1 if needed!
I should add that the two lads have been good friends through 4 years of uni and for the subsequent 4 years too and both with good electronics jobs so I'm really only looking at worst case problems.
 
I read the above question in Bob's post as being the main point.

Well, the answer to that is quite simple: no normal lender would lend unless they could repossess and sell in the event of default. So, the mortgage would have to be set up like that. It is, technically possible to sell a part share in a property (and this is where the distinction between owning it pro indiviso, or in defined proportions could be important) but no mainstream mortgagee is going to be interested in that proposition. If you could find someone to lend on a basis of security over only a share in a property, I would suspect the interest rate would be getting close to that of an unsecured loan.

It is not uncommon in commercial property loans, particularly where there were multiple lenders (but also sometimes including equity participants too) to have a situation similar to this. But the hierarchy of who got paid first was always clearly defined. And senior debt always came first. Then subordinate debt and equity a distant third. And what is worthwhile for a £10m commercial investment may not be cost-effective for a typical residential transaction.

Some other things that occur to me, in no particular order.

Scotland has a Matrimonial Homes Act that could give some protection from eviction, I think. Not my area. I assume England has something similar. And, of course, the parties would need to be in a relationship. [edit: 9fingers may have answered that. But you never know]

What happens if the property is sold before the end of the mortgage. Equal shares of any profit? But it could be the case that the mortgagor party still has only a small proportion of equity. So, if they get an equal share, they have leveraged themselves to a far better position than the equity participant. One way of looking at it is that the equity party has made a gift of the use of their capital – not that different from a loan?

Attitudes to repairs maybe different. If say new windows are required the eagerness to do so may well be different if you have 50% equity in the property against someone who, at that point has only 10% (and is paying a mortgage as well).

It is difficult to see how the rights of the person that is putting in the capital can be protected. If the mortgagor has defaulted they are hardly likely to have assets elsewhere. So you get into the realms of insurance, guarantors or cross collateral.

And of course, none of the above constitutes advice in any way. Merely thoughts.
 
Yes that was the major concern. However if as others suggest it would have to be a joint mortgage then perhaps buyer 1 (cash) could take over buyer 2 payments and evict buyer 2 having caused the default in the first place. I expect there might be an input from the bank of Mum & Dad of buyer 1 if needed!
I should add that the two lads have been good friends through 4 years of uni and for the subsequent 4 years too and both with good electronics jobs so I'm really only looking at worst case problems.
From the lenders perspective they are not receiving payments from buyer 2 - the contractual monthly payment is from both of them irrespective of whose bank account it comes from. In the event of a default they (the lender) will not be bothered which party resolves the matter.

It’s not however straightforward to remove buyer 2 from the equation. They cannot be removed from the mortgage without their consent. (As an aside abusive partners often decline to provide consent just to be awkward and to continue to exert control on the person trying to stay in the property). It’s also not straightforward to remove them from the deed and stamp duty could well be payable. It’s really a question for the solicitor.

I would add that my understanding is that the convoluted option covered by Tiresias will not be considered a mortgage from a regulatory or legal perspective. Mortgages have a whole host of requirements around how they are administered and the provision of advice which benefits consumers.
 
Not my area at all but something did occur to me, should the worst happen and the lender repossesses what is to stop them selling under value just to cover their losses. For example purchase price was £250,000 Cash Buyer puts in £125,000 2nd buyer borrows £125,000 (as far as the bank is concerned the required 10-15% deposit has been paid). Should buyer 2 default and the property is repossessed the lender would sell to cover costs ie the initial £125,000, interest & legal fees they have no interest in maximising the sale price they just want to shift it off their books as fast as they can (I bought a couple of properties like this over the years) unless things have changed in the last 10-15 years this used to be what happened. I know of properties being sold in the West of Scotland but to satisfy the legal requirement of advertising the property the agent would take out adverts in local newspapers in places like Plymouth with a view to selling to developer mates at a cost to cover the banks losses.
 
Not my area at all but something did occur to me, should the worst happen and the lender repossesses what is to stop them selling under value just to cover their losses. For example purchase price was £250,000 Cash Buyer puts in £125,000 2nd buyer borrows £125,000 (as far as the bank is concerned the required 10-15% deposit has been paid). Should buyer 2 default and the property is repossessed the lender would sell to cover costs ie the initial £125,000, interest & legal fees they have no interest in maximising the sale price they just want to shift it off their books as fast as they can (I bought a couple of properties like this over the years) unless things have changed in the last 10-15 years this used to be what happened. I know of properties being sold in the West of Scotland but to satisfy the legal requirement of advertising the property the agent would take out adverts in local newspapers in places like Plymouth with a view to selling to developer mates at a cost to cover the banks losses.
The lender cannot do that. It’s tied in to my comment about mortgage regulation. When a property has been repossessed and is being sold the lender has to achieve a fair sale price in the prevailing market conditions. They will look for a reasonably quick sale (rule of thumb 6 months) to protect the customer from accumulating interest.

The practice you’ve outlined would result in the individuals being prosecuted for fraud today. (Google HBOS Reading fraud for an example)

This process gets audited and the regulator puts firms in enforcement if they are found to be acting unfairly.
 
Blackswanwood beat me to it. A mortgagee in possession (and this is wider than just the residential market) has to make reasonable efforts to obtain best price, and to account to the mortgagor for the period whilst in the mortgagee's possession. With some caveats as to timing, obtaining pp &c.

Of course, what is reasonable is a moveable feast. And most defaulting mortgagors are not in a position to challenge.

And there is also the difference between theory and practice. In the commercial world you may want to look at Tomlinson and the subsequent FCA report. Although neither are particularly good reads (spoiler alert). I will offer no further comment, not wishing to spend the latter half of my life in a libel case. Actually, I have often wondered whether e-mails and the like should be reclassified as slander, being much closer to speech. But I digress…
 
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