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Chicken Coops

AndyP

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Rural, agricultural, eyesore, choose your own description. I dont expect any plaudits for the aesthetics but it has evolved and proved to be fit for purpose, ie to house upto six bantam hens.

The whole construction was done on a budget. All the timber for this was reclaimed either from my old sliding garage doors or my fathers old patio door frames. Only the chicken wire was purchased.

I’ll start with the inside of the coop.
False bottom, this really helps with through cleaning.
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Plastic green house trays provide a floor, easily removable for cleaning.
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Another plastic seed tray under the roosting bars and two nesting/egg boxes go on top.
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Liberally sprinkled with wood chips. I buy these as workshop produced stuff has far to much sawdust for my liking
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Important to have a roof over the nesting/egg boxes , makes the hens feel secure evidently. Again easily removable.
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Roof hinged for access.
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Access to retrieve eggs
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The coop can be closed at night, we rarely do this. A sliding door and a hinged pull rod makes this possible from outside the run.
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This is the pine marten secure small run. This gets closed every night. There are two small doors with access into the large run. If we go away for the weekend or a few days the chooks are happy in this run.
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All the roof panels are either hinged or resting in place. Some are covered to ensure the hens always have some dry dirt to bathe in.
A door at one ends gives access to the food box when a chicken feeder is suspended.
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These are the two small doors that enable access to the larger run. This run is where the hens spend their time when we are at home. They get locked in the small run if we are out for any length of time.
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The large run has no netting above.
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Before we had the dog. Hens would free range in the garden outside of the fruit/veg harvesting season.

We cut the flight feathers of one wing of each bird. These of course grow back after moulting but they seem to loose the will to fly after a while.

Foxes here not really a problem. Missus has seen one at a distance but in 15 years I never have. They would be shot around here. The pine marten, as far as we know never came back .

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I should add that the inside of the coop get sprayed with a natural anti-mite spray when the coop is cleaned out about once a month now we only have one hen. Was done weekly when we had more. Hens live for about 6-7 years but egg production decreases rapidly after year 3.
That coop may look like a haven for mites but when a hen does pop it’s clogs it gets a thorough looking at and I have never seen any problems with scaly leg mite or any other skin complaint. Diatomaceous powder is also sprinkled in the pooh box under the roosting bars and in the nest boxes when cleaned out.
 
Very interesting. Thanks for posting that Andy. That is a lot of stuff to build. Can it be simplified? I would not be allowed to do anything that does not look nice in the garden.

How many square metres of ground do say 6 to 8 hens need, and how big does the coop have to be? I suppose I should buy a book.

Is electric fencing round the top sufficient to keep foxes out? I am less than keen to do roof netting unless it is over quite a small area. I don't think we have pine martins or mink, but we might do for all I know. We do have foxes and they can get over our high fences when they feel like it, though they don't usually.

I have currently an almost limitless supply of food grade (no chemicals) good quality pallet wood that could be used to build everything pretty much for free.
 
Also - a question for you chicken keepers, is it economic? I eat quite a lot of eggs and we eat a fair amount of chicken. But 15 free range eggs from Aldi is a couple of quid and the big green boxes of 24 or 30 from Waitrose are £4.50. Not sure about how my wife would feel about us killing and plucking (it was common when I was a kid).

How much time do you have to spend looking after them. By the sound if it, buying sacks of feed and storing it is also a factor. No idea where I can get chicken feed locally.
 
No. We have four chickens and a rooster, I reckon the eggs would be expensive if they were solid gold. The grandchildren love finding the eggs, though, and they are fresh.
 
The only book I got was this,
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Economic? I really do not know. I could not tell you how much the layers feed pellets are that I buy, 25 kgs at a time. Kept in a cupboard in the barn. Supplemented with bird seed for treats. They soon learn the sound of the rattle of the seed box and will come running back to the coop. Rather like the veg I grow cost is not the reason. Quality is. Free range eggs, fed on grass produce a yolk the colour of which is more yellow than a yellowest yellow thing.
I have despatched the odd cock for the table. Not pleasant but not difficult either.
If you can let them free range in the garden they are also a pleasure to watch.

Space. I have in my head 1 square metre per bird in the run. Ours certainly have more than that even in the small run.
My post was more about giving ideas to incorporate into your builds than actual construction methods. Getting it to look pretty may be a challenge.

Time? Let em out in the morning and shut them up at night. Make sure they have food an water. Takes me about 30 mins to clean out the coop. Really no time at all.
 
Good point on the quality. Oddly enough there was a programme on TV last night about egg production and they visited a free range chicken farm. They aim for a yolk of particular colour and have an egg yolk colour chart to check it. The farmer adds a small quantity of food grade dye to the chicken feed and this makes the yolk colour a deeper yellow. I was astounded that a natural thing needs to be adulterated just to get a preference that some marketing person has dreamed up as "consumer preference".

Turns out there are two feed suppliers within 5 miles. 20Kg of layers pellets is £12. 20kg of mixed corn (treat apparently) is £1.20 which seems like a mistake. No idea how much feed a hen will eat in a day.
 
Like already mentioned its the taste difference that makes it all worth it. One thing to mention is if your using pallet wood, it shrinks alot which can leave gaps. Hens dont like wind up their backsides when roosting, it knocks them off laying. :D
 
The hens are also keen on the odd kitchen scraps, carrot peelings, salad leaves etc.
The yellowness of the yolks comes from the carotin in fresh grass.
Dont forget that hens will lay from about 6-8 months for the first 2-3 years maybe as much as one egg a day, this gradually reduces to maybe 2 or 3 a week at 5 - 6 years then they stop altogether. They also have fallow periods where the stop laying and just brood whether they have eggs to sit on or not.
Are you going to keep feeding a hen after it has stopped laying? Are you happy to kill and eat it?

Don’t do it for the economics, the costs IMO are negligible when weighed against the quality and satisfaction. I’ve no idea how often I buy feed (2 or 3 times a year perhaps) nor how much it costs, I just don’t keep those figures in my head. Layers pellets are worth buying as they are supplemented with minerals, eg calcium important for the shell.

Chooks also need access to grit which they keep in the crop and is used to mush up their food, they dont have teeth remember.
 
The reason why I would like hens is this. When we first moved here, the oast nearby had hens. One or two of them would pop over to us. At the time we were planting a bamboo hedge where the snaking yew hedge is now, so I was sat on the ground preparing trenches and well drained holes and putting small bamboos in or a couple of days. This brown hen was right beside me the whole time eating every insect and grub it spotted (ie all of them). From that point on it always followed us around the garden. Very nice and friendly hen.

Could I kill one. Yes in theory. In practice, Waitrose sells chicken.

Mrs AJB T needs persuading. She's uber practical so a sound economic argument would work. However, she's also not daft. If hens would see off rabbits it would be an easy win for me to convince her.
 
I can remember the space calculation I used, I think it was 10 sq. ft per chicken and 15 for the ducks. What I learnt was if the ducks could stand on top of each other they would, completely brainless and always together.
Having the coop box raised gives extra sheltered space when they are in the run.
I built it in sections, and put it on kerb edging as a foundation. The sheets for the roof came from the local scrap yard, the mesh on the walls is black which makes it pretty invisible from the house. There are a couple of jobs I need to do - guttering into a barrel with a solar powered pump for an automated watering system. Replace the front door with another with a slide up hatch to let the into the garden. The ducks are a nightmare with any standing water - I removed the little pond I had in there because it just stank and they made an absolute mess.
The design is based on some internet offering I saw from the USA, I optimised it for German timber lengths and sizes. To be fair I was caught out because the ply arrived and was imperial (yup we get both standards here, it can be a nightmare). There is ventilation from the run side which is always kept out of the weather, and I have make some angeled poly inserts for the side windows for the winter. The still give good airflow over the chickens, but stops it when it is really cold from causing frostbite on the comb (-25 nights). This was a problem the first winter when it was really cold, but the inserts worked really well. The run gets a covering of woodchips and bark which I get from my pal at the saw mill. Usually one at the start and then again in the middle of winter.
This year we got an automated door opener which has been really good, but at the moment the chickens like camping on the bar in front of the hatch and need to be herded into bed.
Cost wise for the 15 we go through 50 kg of pellets and 25 kg of mixed corn every six weeks. Feed prices have gone up recently like everything. When everyone is performing we get about 8 eggs a day. I eat a lot of eggs, but it is a little insane and we give a lot to the neighbours. The ducks lay spring until autumn and the hens vary with moulting periods etc. Most of our breeds are winter layers. It is an expensive labour intensive way to get eggs, but I really enjoy having them about., and the eggs taste great. Bio free range eggs are expensive here so I don't complain. Duck eggs make amazing sandwiches and are the best for baking.
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To try and simplify.
A chicken coop is just a small raised shed and can be built in any style required. I say raised because I feel the hens benefit from having access to dry dirt. If you want the best looking yolks then access to a large grass run is required. The hens will trash the grass so being able to move the run around the coop or perhaps the coop to a different area of the garden is a benefit.
Access is needed to the inside of the coop for cleaning and egg retrieval. Coop needs roosting bars and a nest box, which they wont always use BTW. Food and water is best outside the coop but needs to be out the way of rodents.
Something like this would not look out of place in a formal garden. Note the handles for moving it around. You could even put wheels on one end.

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Turns out that a lady that works with Mrs AJB T keeps hens. The eggs are good. I am thinking of a sponsor some hens concept. 8-) #fresheggs
 
Thanks for posting, once I get my current project finished I'm also hoping to get a few hens or possibly ducks before our new dog (pup) gets much older.

I am hoping if we can introduce birds whilst dog is still at puppy stage we might have half chance of birds not getting harassed?
 
I've had ducks, many years ago. They make an almighty mess. If you are at all precious about your garden, then I'd be cautious about having ducks.
 
The Indian Running Ducks we have are great at slug control. They only need water to dunk their head in, and are not bothered about swimming. I took the little pond out of the enclosed run because they kept making a frightful stinking mess with it. We leave them a tub to play in which they seem to either ignore oe enjoy. Last summer it took them months to discover the stream and little pools that run behing the coop, and even then they didn't play with it too much. We've not had other ducks so I have nothing to compare them with, but mess wise how it is at the moment they are no worse than the chickens.
 
We have a pair of wild mallard breed here most years in the summer, and we have Moorhens all the time. They are very secretive and make no mess really. I still don't know for sure exactly where the Moorhens nest. I think it is well away from the ponds.

In a previous house years ago we had a large natural pond (it was a farm), three or four geese we inherited and we introduced some ducks. The geese crop the grass and do make a bit of mess, but the pond was not right by the house. Would not be suitable in our present garden. The geese were good fun. They followed each other around in a line all the time. The ducks were Indian Runners mainly and they were nice.
 
It was runner ducks I was thinking about. Re the geese - yes our neighbour has a lot of geese and they seem to crop everywhere.
 
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