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NOt sure which router, appreciate any advice

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I was going to purchase a Morticeing tool but decided that i can get away with and use on more applications a 1/2 router with a few jigs, i have a router and used it over the years but its a under power old machine so i have narrowed it down to either Trend T9EK or for the extra £50 or so the T12EK
Anyone used these tools? i have never used trend before whats your thoughts
 
Although I don't use it often, I'm happy with my Triton TRA001 set up in my router table. I did use it to mould some TGV for my workshop doors a few years ago. No trouble at all.
 
My 1/2 Trend router lasted very few hours and the armature burnt out, customers service was not good.
I would look for an old Elu, they last forever.
 
You will have to pry my hollow chisel morticer from my cold dead hands, and even then good luck, because I will have glued it to my cold dead hands.

I would echo what others have said about Trend, the quality just isn't there for the price, also throw into that the DeWalt ones as they are the same machine. I have a Makita RP2301 which is an excellent machine to work with but doesn't break the bank, the Festool and Mafell machines are also excellent if you have deep pockets.

Old Elus are excellent also, but nice examples do tend to command high prices.
 
I think a re think is needed, thanks again guys for you help and suggestions
 
You will have to pry my hollow chisel morticer from my cold dead hands, and even then good luck, because I will have glued it to my cold dead hands.

I would echo what others have said about Trend, the quality just isn't there for the price, also throw into that the DeWalt ones as they are the same machine. I have a Makita RP2301 which is an excellent machine to work with but doesn't break the bank, the Festool and Mafell machines are also excellent if you have deep pockets.

Old Elus are excellent also, but nice examples do tend to command high prices.
Would love a floor standing mortiser however space is not on my side, hopeing to extend the workshop in the near future so maybe then.
 
I miss my Elu 177e. If you have it, I'd like it back, please...

I have a hollow chisel mortiser and a couple of Dominoes, but when I need to rout a mortice, and sometimes it is the best way, I use this jig:


Enjoy.
S
Looks a nice little jig Steve.

The first place I worked used a Wolf Drill in a stand with a mortice attachment which seemed ok.

The second place I worked had a combination machine with a slot morticer which was very quick and gave very clean cuts (rounded corners though).

The below jig works in the same way as the combination slot morticer. The chap is using an UPCUT BIT which will pull the chips out of the mortice hole as the router cuts into the wood.

It's just an alternative aproach to making a mortice jig with router in that the router stays stationary and you move the timber into the cutter rather than the moving the router and cutter into the timber.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...5ED1D657EFC96930E5015ED1D657EFC9693&FORM=VIRE
 
I actually like my Trend T11 [he said, really quietly].

OK it's not an Elu 177 (the original of this group of products), and the speed control magnet did fall off the shaft fairly soon after I bought it (easily fixed). Also I measured the speed range recently: it's actually only about 7,500 to 19,500* RPM (Trend claim 8,000 to 20,000). Honestly that's fast enough for almost all 1/2" cutters and most 1/4" ones, too, so I don't really mind.

It's similar to the T10, the DeWalt 625E, and one obsolete CMT model - I think all probably came from the same factory. Spare parts are usually interchangeable. The big differences on the T11 are the wider opening in the base and access to the height adjuster through the base, both intended for in-table use. I find both features very useful. I can do above-table cutter changes, too, at a pinch.

Trend have recently discontinued the T11, replacing it in their range with the much more expensive T14 [edited: the T12 seems to be the replacement for the T10]. I note the T14 has a horribly non-standard power plug. Having had bad experiences with Festool's Plug-It monstrosity, that alone would put me off.

But, if you're looking for a T11 secondhand, as long as nobody has bent the router shaft or damaged the internal taper for the collet, almost all other issues are relatively easily repaired, and other spares are readily available. Bearings are standard sizes (you'd need a puller, and possibly access to a press, but you could manage without.

They are noisy (old-style, brushed motor) but they are also rugged. I even used mine as a planer for quite a while (Wealden do a 75mm tall 1/2" straight cutter), before I bought the proper thing.

Routers aren't complex machines, or shouldn't be - there's little in them to go wrong or wear, so secondhand can be a safer purchase choice than for certain other types of tool.

E.

*Uni-T laser tacho, that I recently bought but haven't yet checked against a known-RPM device. I've no reason to suspect it's 500 RPM off, but it might be, and I was using Tipp-ex on the dark collet to trigger it, when the manual says to use a stick-on reflective strip.

If the T11 specification is actually correct and the tacho is too, then it points to a speed controller issue, rather than anything motor or mechanics-related (so not a bearing failure), but to be honest unless the controller completely fails, it's really not a big issue. The speed change remains smooth throughout the range of adjustment, and I can dial-in a specific RPM without it wandering too much, and it works to maintain the set speed under load.
 
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Trend. Mine packed up fast - light use in router table. Trend replaced it. That one failed after 7 months and then I got a refund. And the bits are not all that good either as twice i've had the tungsten art separate.

I've cut a lot of mortices in oak beams when timber framing. For really big ones I used the extremely scary chain morticer, but for everything else I used a second hand green 3 1/4 hp Hitachi half inch router machine which cost peanuts and is a beast. Seems to be bullet proof. I do have an Elu as well and an AMG, but the Elu is very old.

Drawbacks of Hitachi. Dust extraction is imaginary. Bit change requires two spanners and I can never remember which ones. Depth stop system is not my favourite.
 
I've had a deWalt DWE625 (basically a yellow T12) for about 14 months now. It is used on tasks such as grooving out door bottoms for drop seals (14mm wide x 50mm deep - generally in 2 or 3 passes), recessing automatic fire door closers into door heads, mortising for hardware such as concealed slide bolts, inset handles, etc. Also done some oak mortises, although that's mainly repair work where I am as likely to use a Domino if they will let me. Almost all the work done to date has been in English oak, some of it 140+ years old. It replaced a (Italian) DW625, which had in turn replaced a (Swiss) MOF177e, which replaced a (Swiss) MOF98, which replaced my original German-made (pre- B&D) MOF31. The fit and finish has grown progressively worse from my original metal-top MOF31 to the current day. But the router hasn't missed a beat so far, so fingers crossed.

Plusses: far more ergonomic handles than the DW625/MOF177e; more power too; DW625/MOF177e collets and nuts; also fences; also guide bushes

Minuses: not that happy with the collets (which are identical to the DW622 and DW626 as well as the US market DW618 and DW621 models); the depth setting scale is unreliable (DW625/MOF177 system is a lot better), so better to set depth with a piece of hardware or setting block

Against that I also have a Makita RP2301FCX (model slightly updated a couple of years back). This is a bit more powerful than the DWE625 (bearing in mind mine are 110 volt versions) and seems to be better finished overall. The downside of these, for me at least, is that they use a collet reducer for 1/4in and 8mm shank cutters - no OEM collets available in those sizes. On the other hand the motor braking when you power down is a great safety feature. Fence and bars are compatible with the DWE625/DW625/MOF177e/T10, etc. Requires an adaptor to use DW/Trend guide bushes

To my mind the last Htachi M12 I used a few years back looked a bit like a green trainer! I hated it, but not as much as I hated the Ryobi RE600 (still being sold under the AEG label, in orange).
 
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Both my Mof177 where cheap because they needed new bearings.

Pete
Fairly easy to repair, I found. The B&D Switzerland ones always seemed to run with less vibration than the Italian-made models.
 
Well I have a MOF177e now got it off Ebay so fingers crossed, I had a ELU saw back in the day and it was great.
Thanks for interesting comments
 
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