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Render repairs

MattS

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Planning my Easter weekend jobs! Our house has a section of render, in poor condition in places. I think it’s been over coated at some point instead of removed and redone. There are also old repairs next to door etc which have given up. Finally after fitting a new cupboard door and porch some very small repair areas.

So I’ve done plastering but never rendering? Can someone recommend a product, I’ve seen you can buy products for render repair, would these be best?
 
Mike is your best bet I expect, but he will ask how old is the house and what is the current render? Old Kentish houses will have used lime render which has a high vapour permeability (ie it "breathes"). If you have that, then do not repair with cement render.

Get rid of all loose material first. Mike Rye does a good video on harl and top coat with lime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sjVSMypSvY

Cement render is generally applied as two coats. Lots of you tube videos on it, but the Skill Builder one is as good as any for effective DIY work. It's exactly the same method as plastering.

Easy enough to do. Quite hard work. Less easy to do perfectly smooth and even thickness. For large areas I get my plasterer in (also called Mike!) but small panels I do myself.
 
Hi Matt.

Firstly, rendering small areas is easier than plastering, so if you can do plastering, you can do these repairs.

As Adrian has said, the first thing to establish is whether your render is cement or lime based. If it contains hair or other fibres, and your house is over say 80 years old, I'd suspect lime. You can test this by dropping a piece into some vinegar. If it is lime, it will effervesce. If it proves to be lime, go to your local lime supplier and they'll sell you a suitable product.

If it is sand and cement then you need some sharp sand and a bag of cement. Prepare the "hole" well, by brushing away the loose stuff, then brushing on some watered-down PVA (yes, wood glue will do). Apply your first (or only) coat of render whilst the PVA is still tacky. No matter what you do, you will always see the repair. They're impossible to hide unless you re-render the whole wall.
 
Presumably if it is lime then any paint finish should be suitable?
Also it might explain why the current rendering is coming away if moisture is sealed underneath.
 
Thanks both, definitely cement render, it's a mid 60s property. I'll take your advice and get sand and cement, be cheaper than one of the repair products.

Have watched Skill builder for other tasks so will check his videos out. Think I'll have to live with seeing repairs, no time or money for a full rerender.
 
Just to add to what Mike said, be careful when buying the sand as certainly in our area if you just ask for sharp sand you could get a variety of mix sizes. You can buy plastering sharp sand which is graded and always what I've used to get consistent results and is much easier to use. If you do get the wrong sand you might have to sieve it first.
 
That's a very salient comment, Bob. There is huge regional variation in what these terms mean. Sharp sand in some places can have ball-bearing size bits in it. The best bet is to ask at the merchants what plasterers use for render (not screed).
 
One dark art I have seen to blend render repairs is to use a fine wire cat brush when the render is still fairly green as a stippler. Obviously it depends on the existing finish, a short bristle paint brush might be better etc. As Mike says it's a tough job to make invisible repairs but a bit of creative thinking can help a lot.
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I did a fair bit of this over the years. Sand and cement? Mix, mix, and mix again. It is astonishing how much water can be retained in the sand (by hygroscopic action?) and then, as you try to finish, it all comes to the surface and makes your finished wall surface look like runny Brie... :oops:

I used to 'throw' the so-called "dry mix" from one mixing board to another, then back. adding water was "little and infrequent". For the relatively tiny areas (under 4sqft) that I was doing, this method was quick and effective.

Offending hollow render hacked back to brick (irregular edge, oblong-ish hole, rounded corners, helps) then P.V.A. watered down as prescribed. If you mix the sand/cement as the P.V.A. is going off, it should be nearly right for 'scudding' on an initial coat of render as you finish mixing. Twenty two ways of doing that, scudding I mean, but I used to prefer a VERY dry mix in handfuls (use builder's gloves) thrown hard into the cavity, with a throwing board underneath to catch 'ricochets'. The P.V.A. moisture amalgamated with the cement hydration, so caution is needed at this stage. I usually tried to run a straight edge over the hole, immediately afterwards, just to knock of any obvious hillocks of impacted render. Step back, clean up, leave. Cuppa, check phone messages, walk dog, what-have-you, until render has changed colour. That means water is evaporating, cement is setting just enough for Stage Two. It is even better if you can leave it 'till tomorrow.

Stage Two: dry-ish mix, as before, plasterer's hawk and float help, but I've got by with a piece of ply and a rough chunk of 2"x4" loose in my hand. Starting from the bottom of the hole, a smooth application of dry-ish mix into the remaining cavity. N.B. the depth here may be varying from under a gnat's todger to finger-thickness and the scudding coat nay be fragile, so go gently. Sand and cement and gentle in the same sentence? You know what I mean. No gym-bunny antics. Pressing hard with the float or "tubafor" will bring the retained moisture to the surface and your surface will resemble Mick Jagger's complexion before he smears on the hemorrhoid cream to tighten it all up.

Once in, use a 2"x4" bridging across the patch and walk it up the wall, oscillating from side-to-side, GENTLY. DON'T RINSE, or repeat. You should now have a patch relatively smooth and in the plane of the wall, but possibly bleeding moisture. Surfacing it should be done with a DRY sponge, vertically tapped onto the surface, taking OFF the appeared moisture....or a knackered old metal brush applied gently two hours later, or...whatever floats yer boat - see above.

I found a dry sponge - think kitchen pan scrubber, rather than builder's sponge - carefully applied (patted, not smeared) at the edges, allowing 'blending in along the edges'. It took time to get the 'right touch', but it was worth a bit of experimentation on a patch away from the main frontage, to be seen by all.

All done? Nope, you CAN wait a week, then use 60 or 80 grade sandpaper to blend in further. Your choice. I found even a kitchen scrubber (the one you wrecked with cement earlier) turned round to the green side was enough to knock off some of the 'green' cement after 2-3 days and you could GENTLY blend in before leaving it to go off for about 10 days before painting.

H.T.H. if you have never mixed cement before. It's not hard, but there are wee wrinkles and pit-falls. I've done my best to touch on all of them. I didn't set out to write a "Dummies Guide", but it just happened.

S.

Happy Easter, Everyone!
 
Great post and entertaining Sam. :eusa-clap:
I would add that if at all possible use a cement mixer and measured quantities as it's always superior to a hand mix.
 
SamQ aka Ah! Q!":1zj88g6x said:
Can I come round and do your next repair then Bob? :eusa-whistle:

Yeah you can borrow my mixer Sam ;)
I'm pleased we don't have any render, hate the stuff!
 
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