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De-magnetising

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Is there any way top de-magnetise something? I have a pair of pincers which have somehow become magnetised, which can be very irritating. Is this something I will have tolerate for the rest of my life, or is there something I can do about it?
 
My father always demagnetised metal working tools by hitting them sharply with a hammer a couple of times on a vice anvil.
 
Yes tapping, all the North Souths are running in the same direction, they need knocking back to random- says he who doesn’t know much about it !
Also you can make a weak magnet/compass by stroking along a piece of metal with a magnet.
Ian
 
I have two Wera tool kits that have come with a widget for magnetising/de-magnetising screwdrivers, and they work. Might be worth looking them up, can't imagine they're expensive. Photo's below with 20p for scale.
 

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Is there any way top de-magnetise something? I have a pair of pincers which have somehow become magnetised, which can be very irritating. Is this something I will have tolerate for the rest of my life, or is there something I can do about it?
Do you know any one with a tape head demagnatiser?

Pete
 
Reel to reel recording device. Try the hammer. It's free and it works usually.
 
@Mike G You can get one of these, but expensive for what it is if you only need it once. Depends how helpful you might find such an item...

One of these...

Otherwise if you think you'll only use it once then I can post you mine to borrow if you want.
 
There are essentially four ways of demagnetising something as I understand it:
  1. Heating it up above above it's Curie point
  2. Hitting it (I don't really understand the physics behind this one but it works for small levels of magnetisation)
  3. Use an external magnetic field of opposite polarity and the right magnitude
  4. Applying an alternating magnetic field (either from a rotating magnet or by passing the object through a field that varies with position)
I usually use #4 in the form of one of these cheap demagnetisers. You just shove the tool back-and-forth through the hole a few times and the tool is no longer magnetised. Hitting it has been shown to reduce the field a bit, but for strongly magnetised things it won't work. It's a fairly easy and free option, so it's worth a shot as a first try if the tool isn't going to suffer too much from being hit.
 
Hi-fi geeks. Ask one of them to borrow their tape head demagnetiser. Mine is maybe 45 years old and going strong. Plug in, run along tool shaft or blade, repeat as necessary, job done.

Electrical engineers please correct me, but I believe it produces a "hysteresis loop" that 'scrambles' all the magnetic domains into random patterns.
 
Hi-fi geeks. Ask one of them to borrow their tape head demagnetiser. Mine is maybe 45 years old and going strong. Plug in, run along tool shaft or blade, repeat as necessary, job done.

Electrical engineers please correct me, but I believe it produces a "hysteresis loop" that 'scrambles' all the magnetic domains into random patterns.
Yes, it's #4 in the list I posted.
 
Thanks Al. Mine is mains powered and I found it more effective than the wee 'plaskit blok' one you mentioned in #4. I have one like that too, but found the hi-fi 'pen' to give a more lasting demagnetisation.
 
When you say "more lasting de-magnetisation", Sam, does that suggest that the effect of de-magnetisation can wear off and the item become magnetised again?
 
When you say "more lasting de-magnetisation", Sam, does that suggest that the effect of de-magnetisation can wear off and the item become magnetised again?
I don't think demagnetisation is something that wears in any way, but if the magnetisation is strong the little plastic thing probably won't get rid of all the residual magnetism and it'll take less field strength to get it back to a noticeable level. An electric one will use a stronger alternating field and should get rid of more the residual magnetism: they still work in much the same way (except the field is moving rather than the part moving through the field), they just have a stronger field and hence more effect.

Whether it becomes magnetised again will depend largely on what you put it near (e.g. hang it on a magnet on the wall and it'll almost certainly become magnetised again).
 
When you say "more lasting de-magnetisation", Sam, does that suggest that the effect of de-magnetisation can wear off and the item become magnetised again?
It won't wear off in the conventional sense, since the 'natural' state is to not be magnetised. Magnetism gets applied to it by external interactions, and the demagnetisers will just remove that - there's no 'demagnetised' effect that can prevent it from being re-applied.

As Al says, though, there's a threshold of magnetism below which you won't notice it. If your day to day use of a given tool tends to slowly magnetise it over time, then a stronger demagnetiser which removes (almost) all the magnetism will give you more time until it builds up to a noticeable level than a weaker one which takes it to just below the noticeable threshold.
 
Anything paramagnetic (i.e. iron-based material (incl. steel)), can be magnetised to an extent.

Steel magnetises quite well, such that "degaussing coils" were used on navy ships in the war to reduce the risk of them setting off magnetic mines (and built into some warships). To do an entire ship, however, requires huge currents, and thus huge coils and equipment.

Cathode ray tube monitors and some TVs had degaussing coils built in as well, since the shadow mask in the tube (so that the electrons only hit the right places on the tube) could become magnetised, which would bend the electron beam to hit in the wrong place. Early colour TVs (circa 1967 in the UK) were so sensitive to this, the shops would "install" them where the householder wanted, degauss the tube thoroughly, and then redo the receiver's convergence settings (itself somewhat non-trivial), leaving strict instructions that the TV was not to be moved around in the slightest.

Regarding magnetized tools, the trick is to apply an alternating field, and then slowly reduce that to zero. You can either reduce the current in the coil, or simply take the once-magnetized item away from the coil slowly, say over a distance of six to ten feet, then turn the coil off. Turning any sort of demagnetizer off when the tool is in its field may leave you worse off than before.

So taking the above into account, do you have a 240V to 110V 'yellow' site transformer? You might park your pincers on that for a while, then move it slowly some distance away. The transformers in those boxes are made cheaply and potted in resin (so you can't tell, he said cynically). They leak a strong field (well, most do), which might serve this purpose. If the tool wants to 'buzz' when you put it down on top or next to the box, you're in luck...

Much depends on how strongly it's become magnetized. If it's "a lot" you'll need a strong field to demagnetize it. The demagnetizing units for tape heads are usually very low power, they 'focus' the magnetic flux through an iron bar down the middle of the coil (which is in the body of the thing), but they'll probably struggle to do anything as big as pincers or pliers. Where I used to work, however, we had a bulk eraser for 13" reels of 2" wide videotape. It was a bit larger than my planer-thicknesser, and known as the 'fish fryer' - HUGE coil inside and the tape reel was rotated in the field, while it was slowly reduced to zero. Nothing came out alive...

If you can get access to an AC low voltage power supply, say from a school lab (nb. If it only does DC it's no use), you can safely connect that to a home made coil and pass the tool through that, but do NOT try this with mains voltages - at best you'll blow the breaker in the consumer unit, at worst it could be a fatal mistake.

I once made a fool of myself and got into serious hot water with the Domestic Controller, trying to take pictures of our TV. I thought it would be sensible to get a light meter reading first, so without thinking I held my Sekonic right up to the screen (BIG magnet round the moving coil meter part of it), creating a really infuriating purple patch. Big tellys (this was a Sony 27" - huge for its time) had a degaussing coil built in that fires up when the TV is turned on... but they're not very powerful. It took weeks for it to settle back down again.
 
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........So taking the above into account, do you have a 240V to 110V 'yellow' site transformer? You might park your pincers on that for a while, then move it slowly some distance away. The transformers in those boxes are made cheaply and potted in resin (so you can't tell, he said cynically). They leak a strong field (well, most do), which might serve this purpose. If the tool wants to 'buzz' when you put it down on top or next to the box, you're in luck....
Fantasic. That sounds a workable solution......and I much appreciate the time you took in writing all that advice.

Just to be absolutely certain, could you give me a clue about timings. When you say "park your pincers on that for a while", do you mean a few minutes, a few hours, or a few days? And then moving it away slowly.....are you talking about incremental movements of a few feet at a time, and over what sort of time period?
 
Well I'd test it - too long won't hurt. I'd park it on top for a day or two, then slowly move it away (15-20 secs), whereupon if it worked at all, it should be cooked. To be honest the field might not be strong enough - you'll just have to try.

I never asked: how did it become magnetised in the first place?
 
When you place the pincers near the energised transformer move them around. If you dont feel and vibration in the tool, then it is unlikely to have enough field leakage to have a useful effect.
If it is bugging you enough and are prepared to post the pincers to me, I can use my Eclipse tool demagnetiser on them and then return them.
If you have number of undesirably magnetised tools, then I could send you my demagnetiser - it is not something I use every day!

Bob
 
I never asked: how did it become magnetised in the first place?
I have no idea, I'm afraid. All I can think is that it might have been in a tool box alongide a magnet, back in the days when I was carrying tools around from workshop to house all the time.
 
When you place the pincers near the energised transformer move them around. If you dont feel and vibration in the tool, then it is unlikely to have enough field leakage to have a useful effect.
If it is bugging you enough and are prepared to post the pincers to me, I can use my Eclipse tool demagnetiser on them and then return them.
If you have number of undesirably magnetised tools, then I could send you my demagnetiser - it is not something I use every day!

Bob
Thanks Bob. I'll try a couple of the other solutions first, but if they fail, I'll come back to you.
 
Dr. B. and spb said what I would have Mike, but my basic level understanding has been massively superceded by that man EtV!
We are not worthy!

I've only used my tape demagnetiser for screwdrivers and hex bits, which is why I have got away with such low power. Something like chunky pliers or Mole Grips would need Eric's ideas.
 
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