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Architrave dilemma

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I'm having an arcihitrave v. ceiling height dilemma. The farms ceilings are around 2150 tall and i have run up some 95mm arci. Its all primed ready to go, but before i go further I put two sets on in the living room to see what I think and I cant make my mind up if they would be better if I took them down to say 70mm. Either way it wont make the ceilings any higher.
Still undecided on skirting height but was aiming at 120. Anyone here got any bright ideas?

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MJ, purely subjective, I know. Bot it looks out of proportion with the door frame to me. The mitre looks huge.

I'd have a try at 70.

HTH

Malcolm
 
IMHO:

Think I'd agree with Malcolm on this one, 70mm would probably be more in proportion. Skirting would definitely be ok at 120-125mm high.

The architrave looks ok lower down where the door panel is but as soon as it reaches the glazed area It starts to look out of proportion.

BTW, I think that mould is really nice, and would be very well suite a larger door/frame combination.

Mark
 
These are the only glazed doors. Going to make a test at 75 then run the bead, this time I'll do with the spindle moulder. I can't face doing it again with the moulding plane. I thought it would be a bit of fun, but it got tedious very quickly
 
Before I go and rip it down, I just tacked a set on a solid door. I'm really torn what to do. I could make a taller skirting, but I have already got the stock waiting. Then it throws the question back to the ceiling height ... Anyway...
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FWIW I think the architrave looks too wide. I have no idea if there is an acceptable norm to this sort of thing. What would be considered normal in a farmhouse of the period?

I hate tall skirting boards, even if period features, 120 mm is about as tall as I would want to see.
 
It's the sort of thing no one but a woodworker would look twice at.

I'd suggest going with it if you have already made it all.

Our 1930's semi has plain architrave about 60mm wide and skirtings around 90 high. ceilings are higher than yours though. My parents older house had architraves like yours but skirtings were 150 to 200 high.
 
While it can only be subjective, some guidance is given on this site -

http://blog.solidwoodendoors.com/2015/03/skirtingand-architrave-guidelines-weare.html

One other site suggests the 7% rule/guide. Never hard this myself before. The height of the skirting is set at 7% of the height of the room. Therefore, an 8' high ceiling makes 96" and the height of the skirting comes in just under 7"

The article then goes on to say the architrave width should then be about half the skirting height, and if there is significant difference in their thickness, then a plinth block can be employed.

Anyone else heard this guidance?

BTW, I think the width of the architrave is compromised by the gap between the door and the ceiling.

But I do love the moulding shape.

HTH, too!
 
With MJ's ceilings at about 7 foot that would make 8" skirtings and 4" architrave !

I think Robert is right. Who will notice? And once you have lived with it for a while will you?
 
I'm going to rip it down. It will do my head in otherwise. Correct for the period of the house, in Germany there was very little moulding or detail on farms this age I went with the profile I copied from the existing on a job before of a house of the same period, but that was back home. I even did all the moulds by hand on that job with a big Grecian moulding plane . I'll put some pics up tomorrow if I get chance
 
Cracking link, Malcolm ...that and the 7% rule.

I'm with what the guys have said...it doesn't look right in relation to the door.
 
I think the architraves look great as they are - and nice work MJ. I certainly wouldn't go any smaller. I would also make up some architrave plinth blocks and go with a two-tiered skirting board - especially for an old building like yours.

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(Amended a silly spelling error :shock: )
 
Pinch":1f93kvld said:
I think the architraves look great as they are - and nice work MJ. I certainly wouldn't go any smaller. I would also make up some architrave plinth blocks and go with a two-teared skirting board - especially for an old building like yours.

:text-bravo:
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I think you might have the right idea Mr Pinch, Plinth blocks might just resolve the appearance of the architraves looking to wide. They would draw the eye down to the larger skirting which would add some balance. Plinth blocks do actually work quite nice with a larger skirting.

I think the architrave looks fine with the solid door but needs some more attention as Mr Pinch suggested try plinth blocks as the architrave may well look right with the glazed door too.

Before you rip the lot down or start re-moulding, I'd set up some skirting (plinth block too) with the architrave and then stand back to consider.

When everything is put together and finished it can look quite good but unfinished things often look naff.

Mark
 
So what height should I aim at for the skirting and plinth block?
 
Why not try 7% of 2150 - 150mm - and have the plinth block something like 50mm higher than the skirting and 25mm wider than the arch and a tad thicker than both, stand back and see what they look like for a few days and adjust if you don't like it till you find proportions that feel right.

You could go really mad and create a round shape on the face of the plinth block that reflects the curves on the arch and skirt.
 
Here you go MJ, I found a few pictures to give you an idea.

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I used to do a lot of top banana renovation work and I very much enjoyed the 2nd fix, with 2-3 tiered skirts (up to 16" high), plinth blocks, architraves, dado & picture rails, panelling, fire surrounds etc etc...

:obscene-drinkingcheers:

(Amended another silly spelling error - same word :shock: :eusa-doh: :lol: )
 
Thanks Pinch. I have done a fair bit of that myself, matching the mouldings etc, its good fun. I don't think the combination will make the problem with the ceiling go away, plus all the doors are only 2'6". I couldn't put wider doors in because I was stuck with the staircase position over the cellar head so everything went in as it was before.
I ripped down a length and put a slightly smaller side bead on it and tacked it to the door. I think it looks ok, but I do like the larger architrave. Sorry about the rubbish photos, my phone isn't behaving as it used to and I didn't give it a sand, just blatted some primer and a bit of sample paint on.

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MJ80":3o3vasfw said:
Sorry about the rubbish photos, my phone isn't behaving as it used to and I didn't give it a sand, just blatted some primer and a bit of sample paint on.
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No wonders the photos are so bad :D

I am with Roger BTW
 
I think the proportions work better, including the gap to the light switch.

That doesn't stop you still having a 150+ skirt and plinth blocks.
 
Either way, its a small gap to the ceiling. I prefer the larger one, would look fantastic with plinth blocks and a deep skirt.
 
stu":3kgxj2kk said:
Either way, its a small gap to the ceiling. I prefer the larger one, would look fantastic with plinth blocks and a deep skirt.
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Hear-hear! 8-)

Or is it here-here! :|
 
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